Windows Vista & IE7 Beta 1 Available

Article
07/27/2005

The information published in this post is now out-of-date and one or more links are invalid.

—IEBlog Editor, 21 August 2012

Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed “Longhorn”) and IE7
for Windows XP are now available. Back in
February we committed to releasing betas this summer. I’m sure it
surprises some people, but we did what we said we’d do.

How interested you are in actually running pre-release software should
depend on who you are. For example, I think that running pre-release
MSN Virtual Earth or the
Windows Antispyware Beta is interesting for everyone. I think
NetScan is less interesting for broad audiences.

The beta versions of
Windows Vista and
IE7 that have just released should be interesting to developers and IT
professionals. For this reason, the beta is available to MSDN subscribers
and a pretty small set of pre-enrolled beta test participants. Our goal is
to get feedback from this group, do a bunch more work around quality
(performance, security, reliability, etc.) and some features (e.g.
additional standards support beyond what’s in
beta 1, additional functionality around tabs and RSS, etc.), and release
Beta 2 much more broadly.

With Beta 1 done, you can expect much more active posting about technical
details on the features that are now public. We’ve posted an
IE7 Technology Overview,
What’s New in Internet Explorer 7 for Developers, and an
Anti-Phishing Whitepaper. Based on questions and feedback from the
beta, we’ll blog and post more.

- Dean

Comments

Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Get ready for a VERY ANGRY Slashdotting...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
My MSDN subscription is library-only
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The technical overview - a word document - doesn't require downloading a .exe! Good to see that's fixed. Kudos to the Microsoft Download team.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm not happy about this at all, for months and months and months we were told this would be public. It feels like we've been stabbed in the back to be quite honest. I am extremely dissapointed by this move. Microsoft and the users would have been greatly benefited if this was made more widely available.

You think Vista and IE7 are just interesting to developers and IT Professionals? Are you kidding me? Have you been to any of these huge forums (I won't name the names but one has over 120K members)?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dean, this really should have been more widely avaliable. Not all web developers have MSDN subscriptions, but making things better suit them (by giving them access to the IE7 beta) will better suit everyone using IE as you will have feedback on what the issues with IE7 are sooner.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Currently IE7 for XP doesn't seem to be available on MSDN. Has it been posted yet?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I agree with Shining Arcane. I really like IE, and it would have been great to give your long-time users the opportunity to test out IE without having to spend a lot for the MSDN subscription :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MS doesn't follow industry practice in that alphas can get new features and betas have the feature set locked, correct?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The Technical Overview made very interesting reading I look forward to reading more about the new features on this blog.

I have to admit though, I did burst out laughing when I read: "Web developers have expressed some frustration with certain peculiarities in the behavior of Internet Explorer 6, especially in the areas of standards support."

Nice bit of humour there :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why don't the devs this beta is restricted to have the FRIGGIN' CHANGELOG. They have no idea of the details of each change.

You say you've improved CSS standard support. PROVE IT. WHERE'S THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE CHANGES?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
very terrible choice to restrict this to msdn and beta testers. a lot of people were looking forward to the promise made of a public beta. as usual microsoft fails to deliver on its promises.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can't wait for Dean Edwards to post his reaction.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm sure Dean was invited into the Beta.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
what happened to the IDN's support?
we've been waiting for more than 5 years for the release of IE7 and in the end Microsoft failed to deliver as always.
I don't have the smallest bit of faith on Microsoft anymore.

hasta la vista windows
gustavo
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft is just asking for an illegaly leaked version of IE 7 B1 floating around. Yes, I'm really disapointed in this decision. But as soon as I saw "IE 7 B1 Released" headline, I knew it was too good to be true.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I don't see it in the list of downloadable products in my MSDN list either. Is it a separate download, or is it only part of Vista?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Man, what a bunch of CRY BABIES!!

Of course the MSDN subscribers get their hands on the beta first - THEY PAID FOR IT!

I just confirmed that I'll be getting beta 1 of Vista and, I assume, IE7 in my TechNet Plus subscription this September.

It makes sense to start small with a first beta distribution. If MS released the beta to everyone, 99% of all the feed back would be slashdotters who are looking for yet another excuse to flame (read: most of you).

You want your initial round of feedback to come from SERIOUS users of the product (read: almost none of you).

James
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can tell you that you don't need small feedback from 100,000 participants for you to realize that IE7 desperately needs to fully support CSS 2.0 at the very least
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I eagerly await my copy. :-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And then you wonder why Microsoft are frequently slammed. It is a perfect example of why Microsoft are clueless as to how to listen and talk to customers. Widely reported as going to be a public beta, they limit it to a small subset of developers and MSDN subscribers who in all probability are MS fans to begin with.

So the exercise then is to attempt to control the feedback as opposed to exposing the beta to a wide range of people who will critique the beta from all perspectives?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, I am glad to see that something is moving along, even though I still am disapointed in it being not public.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
According to numerous reports... THE IE7 BETA IS CORRUPTED!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When on MSDN Subscriptions is it? I have Universal, but don't see it...

Thanks
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft just made two big mistakes:
Promising a public beta but only delivering a restricted beta, and not providing enough documentation.

A restricted beta is a great way to test a product, but if Microsoft wants to improve its, when it comes to IE, dirty image, it had better keep its promises, and we got a promise for a public beta during the summer. It's not about being a "crybaby", like James suggested above - it's about delivering on your promises!

Second of all, and I'd think Microsoft would nail this regarding the amazing size of the MSDN Library and other documentation, the "Improved handling of CSS" genre of writing your revision history is not a good way to go. It's insanely important that rendering bugs such as the guillotine are fixed (since they shouldn't have been in there to begin with), but for a company that promised harder work on CSS, there's not really any details on what's been added or even what's been fixed, not even a hint in the general direction of the changes.

I can't help ending this comment with the note that the Technical Overview is a Word document. Doesn't Microsoft trust its own browser to render that correctly?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
wow, here I was thinking MS were trying to be helpful.

I don't remember seeing anything that said we had to subscribe to try the beta. Not to mention that you have to PAY to subscribe!

Can I just ask WHY you haven't release the beta publicly?

I was expecting to be able to download it before (the US) summer was over, but I guess the vast majority of us can't.

You decieved us, where's the trust?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Um, they say the beta build of IE7 on connect was corrupt anyways!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Scale-to-fit printing is an excellent idea. A related feature that Acrobat has had for years that would be exceeding useful: reverse printing. A lot of users with bubble jet printers that print face-up would benefit from this.

A public beta would have been nice though.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
LOL! The Acid2 rendering looks even worse in IE7...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm looking at past blog entries to find who said "public beta" when. I think we all assumed it was a public beta. I can't find a place where a Microsoft person said "It is a completely wide open public beta for everyone."
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I see Vista on the MSDN downloads, but nothing for IE7. I have seen different press releases here and elsewhere but no IE7 on MSDN. Someone says wait until aug 3, but this post indicates its available now? what gives?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As compared to FF 1.0.1, 1.0.2, 1.0.3, 1.0.4, 1.0.5, 1.0.6...?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Some of you claiming "Well MSFT didn't say it wasn't a public beta" are not thinking this through. The point is that we, as users, were decieved. When people claimed "Can't wait for the Beta," no IE dev bothered to mention "Oh yeah, it won't be public." They didn't even say that it was a possibility. That's a very dirty marketting trick, and from the reviews I'm reading, IE7 doesn't look very impressive anyway. At all.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just because Microsoft have released a non-public beta doesn't mean they can't still release a public beta.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
More testers always mean more errors will likely be found. Restricted version won't be going anywhere.
Remember XP when it is first released. Why don't the MSDN testers find all the security holes before it is released? It is the general consumers reporting XP crash and spyware attack help us having a stable XP like it is today.
Most likely no thing wil change if things keep going this way. Sign! Microsoft, you will never learn...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Simon is correct. If they said they'll release a public beta this summer, they still might release the next beta publicly before summer is over.

That being said however, I'm normally a MS fanboi, but I'm pretty disappointed by what I've seen so far in the screenshots of IE7. The weakness in IE6 for me is NOT the interface (tabs maybe, but I consider it a minor issue), and it's not security (again, for me, as I don't install ActiveX as readily as your average idiot user). The weakness in IE6 for me is the underlying rendering engine, which they better have improved upon by IE7 beta 2 or I'm so going to give Firefox a try.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Tom,

I'm looking at the RSS feed in several different aggregators. Which one are you using and what problem are you seeing with it?

Al Billings [MSFT]
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey this new browser is awesome. Just one request for now. Saveing session state. Like when i close the browser it gives the option to save last opened tabs and open them back up.

Oh also maybe be able to have personal settings for the browser itself saved to like an XML file so that people can share preferences.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hasta la vista windows
gustavo

--

Microsoft will sorely miss Gustavo

wah
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Who do I have to "upgrade" to beta test for Microsoft. I've signed up for all the appropriate sites. I'm a full blown "bithead" and I'm jonesing for my beta software. I'm also a desktop tech who desperately wants to know this software backwards and forwards so that I can market myself for that.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Awesome check this out
http://mywallop.com/wc2%5C878649_per%5Cpic%5C13211356.jpg

and microsoft fix the css support.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Where on MSDN Universal? I see Vista, but no IE7 download is listed.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Can I install IE7beta as a separate application on a production-system without breaking IE6?

And people, remember it's a beta before being to hard against MS. Also the "real public beta" might arive later in the summer.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm confused. I thought this version was supposed to improve upon the standards support. I guess that was supposed to be NEXT version, because as far as I can tell, all that was changed was a few bug fixes in the already supported features. This isn't a new version of a browser, it's a new shell for the same browser.

I have to say, if you honestly think that you're answering the wishes of the web development community, you are dead wrong. You have completely betrayed us, and I'm sick of it. The web development community will continue to strongly promote Firefox, Opera, Safari, and other alternative browsers until you finally decide to quit doing the bare minimum for the public and start doing it right for developers.

The following is a list of bare minimum features that must be fully supported by the time IE 7 is released. If you don't at least meet this basic list, then you have proven that you simply don't care about developers.

Proper HTML object fallback model, abbr element, q element, properly handle the application/xhtml+xml mime type, CSS "inherit", CSS child selector, adjacent selector, all four attribute selectors, active and hover pseudoclasses for all applicable elements, first-child pseudoclass, before and after pseudoelements and content property for strings and urls, table display values, max/min height/width, position:fixed, right and bottom, reasonable support for the standard DOM event model, and gamma correction in PNGs.

I don't care how long it takes, I just don't want to see IE 7 until at least this list is met. You say you are listening to the developers? Well, here it is. Nothing here is unreasonable; most other major browsers have supported everything here for quite a while now. Support for all of this would put Internet Explorer near halfway to the level that the competition is at. Please, for once, impress me.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003

REFRESH button missing (can right-click instead)
2. Toolbars don't stay locked (Google, Canon Easy-WebPrint, & Pluck being used)
3. Cannot move tabs bar from beneath Address bar. Top or bottom of browser window would be reasonable.
4. Need more options on where and when to open new tabs versus new window.
5. How do I import RSS feeds from OPML file?

Allen

Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am a developer, but not an msdn subscriber. It is distressing that I cannot try out IE7. I really need to see if any changes have an impact on my work.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
(THE REFRESH BUTTON IS POORLY PLACED TO THE RIGHT OF THE ADDRESS BAR, IT TRIPLES AS THE GO/REFRESH/STOP BUTTON!)

BTW, did I say this beta blows hard?

Trust me, I gave it a chance... 15 minutes to impress me. What I saw on my screen was a 15 month leap sideways...

What I have noticed so far regarding standards:

PNG Alpha Transparency is not fixed completely.

The transparency disappears if you highlight the image. The transparency is supposed to remain even when highlighted.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
All What i want to say is that ie7 is very diappointting. Pls study the Firefox carefully!
i dont like firefox, but it is better than ie7.
At current time, i use Maxthon based on ie kernal.
ie7 is ugly and very ugly!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Could someone, who had the chance to play around with the IE 7.0, kindly confirm that new IE supports IDN (Internationalized Domain Names)?

Best Regards
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Can someone point out where in the MSDN subscriber downloads this is? I've downloaded Vista but can't see IE7 at all.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Anyone found out where the download link is on MSDN? I found IE6 in the operating systems menu (?!?) and Vista also but no IE7. I may be being thick but a nice "download here" link wouldn't go amis...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
...Microsoft posted the IE7 beta to MSDN. It's under "Operating Systems|Internet Explorer".

Now all...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hello,
I have used IE7 really it's great, the best thing is when we meddle click on a link it opens in a new TAB, Great :), like that can you guys make this in IE7, when we double click on a TAB it should Close that TAB. Please reply on this. Thank you :) .
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Matt -- I heard that IDN plumbing is mostly done; it's not exposed in the product yet.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Presumably if you install IE7 beta it will replace IE6 and do all sorts of dodgy OS type stuff? Is there a way to install it side-by-side?

I find it quite bizarre that a web browser comes under "Operating Systems" in MSDN..!!!

Also, will the finished version supported Windows 2003?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why not open a new TAB when click a site in Favourite?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dear Microsoft,

I don't want to spend over $1000 to test a beta.

Regards

p.s. Why do you make it so difficult for us?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
There is already a small review of IE 7 within Vista with some nice screen pics here:
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_beta1_03.asp
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7 fixes TWO CSS bugs?! TWO?!! And this is some big advancement?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
After playing around with IE 7 for a while, I can only say that I am truly disappointed.

First thing I did was to test it with some of Eric Meyers CSS edge demos. And to my surprise (well, not really) none of them that didn't work in IE 6 worked fine in IE 7.

Not even
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html !!!
This means that IE 7 still doesn't have full CSS1 support. Year 2005.

I also tested out CSS2 selectors with no luck, :hover for example, still only works on links. This means no CSS menus in IE. I also tested other irritating bugs, such as:

<div style="float:left; margin-left:100px;">this will have a margin-left of 200px instead of 100px</div>

And again, bug was still there. So actually, what was really fixed in this release? I read about 2 CSS bugs being fixed. Wow, you work on this browser for years and you fix 2 CSS bugs? I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

IE 7 feels like IE 6 but with a new GUI. While the tabs are nice (welcome to the new millennium IE), this beta is nothing more than a big disappointment. Actually this even beats the Netscape 6 disappointment, and I would never imagine that could be beaten.

Internet Explorer, R.I.P
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair

images are broken in IE7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is in regard to a post made earlier where someone stated that "of course MSDN subs got it first, they paid for it".

We've paid for XP (and more), we've used IE6 and MSN, we've bought many many programs that run on Windows.

Is that not enough? Guess not.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
On the part of CSS support does this release represent what we (webdevelopers) may expect of "improvements"!?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Nice job on IE7 B1; I am very pleased so far. Couple of bugs however; where should they be posted?

Thanks,
Chad
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well I think the developers have certianly attacked the right areas, but we'll just have to wait and see how good the standards support really is.

I like the fact that they will finally be supporting other search engines, lets hope they sypport the same plugin standard as mozilla - the last thing we want is another set of competing standards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The browser looks good - not bad at all for a first beta. My comments would be;

1) As already mentioned, complete and reliable CSS 2 support is absolutely essential (although obviously not expected in this initial beta).

2) The interface really needs some work - the tabs / menu / address bar mix up all feels extremely clunky at the moment. Especially when using 'Windows Classic' style. I really hope there will be some improvements in this area before the next beta - take a good look at Safari because it does such a good job with the interface.

3) I managed to get it to crash completly by double clicking a Favorites folder. Although I can't seem to make it do it again!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> when we double click on a TAB it should Close that TAB

I kept trying to do this as well! Not sure why, but it feels like a really intuitive way to close a tab. An alternative might be a little 'x' to the right hand side of the open tab.

The 'x' on the right doesn't really do much for me, and it just makes it look like a FF clone! ;)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I have a couple of questions.

> Internet Explorer 7 is prioritizing compliance to CSS standards by first implementing the features that developers have said are most important to them.

Now, fixing two bugs isn't a feature, so presumably there are at least some additions to Internet Explorer's CSS support. So what are they?

Do you plan on fully complying with the CSS 1.0 specification in the final release of Internet Explorer 7.0?

> The final release of Internet Explorer 7 will focus on improving the developer experience by reducing the time needed for developing and testing on different browsers.

Will Internet Explorer 6.0 and 7.0 installed alongside one another be a supported configuration?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will the colleges who have the "Microsoft Alliance" (I think that's what it's called) get this beta? Email please.

tcoulter at acm dot org
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
David: I got it from the Microsoft Word document (why on earth can't we get this stuff as HTML?) linked to above as "IE7 Technology Overview".

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=718E9B3A-64FE-4A4C-9DDF-57AF0472EAD2&displaylang=en
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Lot's of people complaining about the availability. My experience says this is normal and historical in regards to OS's at MS. You don't typically see these things publically until they reach the RC (Release Candidate) stage.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I installed IE7, rebooted; when Windows came back up IE7 now crashes.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I rather like the new interface, I've just started using it, so I really haven't tried anything special with it.
Some points:
1. Everytime I open a new tab, the same unneeded icon buttons pop open. A new tab should have the same buttons as the old tab, unless a user decides to change it.

2. Opening a new tab should have the option of going to the home page, not a blank page.

3. Tabs from other IE windows should be able to be dragged into another IE window, to consolidate the tabs from a popup (say, hotmail) into one IE window.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thanks for the notification! Downloading now through MSDN! Feedback is surely to come. Can't wait for full CSS2.0 support (HELLO WORLD! :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What proportion of web developers (i.e. the people interested in IE7) have MSDN subscriptions?

I've also heard that running the installer itself requires 'Windows Validation' (not just the download page) - seems overkill to me, but there you go.

As for the 'Phishing filter' - who wants any details of their browsing history transmitted to MS for checking of suspect sites?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As a developer, I'm disgusted by what I've read so far with regards to the CSS 'improvements'. I know Microsoft is a business; but seriously - think about what you're doing. You're turning your back on what is possibly the most important step forward in website development.

I've lost hope now. It's clear you're not going to get even CSS2 support implemented properly for the final release if this is where the program starts. From a developer's point of view - this is HIGHLY frustrating. From a business point of view - this is utterly foolish.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If I were a suspicious type, I would find it interesting that webstandards.org triggers a suspect site warning. MS Policy or just a bug?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Wow - so many complainers. "I gave it 15 minutes and gave up". LOL! Are you married? I bet not... If so, good thing she/he said yes when you popped the question... cause if she/he had said... "let me think about it" you would have responded "you have 15 minutes".

Seriously, it only makes sense to release it on MSDN first. Do any of you people complaining not realize that this is the general process MS follows?!?

Oh and regarding the bugs... It is a BETA people!!!!! And for that matter, it is beta 1!!!

Ok, now that I am past my rant, I wanted to make a couple comments. First off, it is available on MSDN download under "Operating Systems" and is only 10MB for the download. I love that part of it - it is small!!!

Second comment - overall, stability seems decent with one exception that I have found this far. Amazingly, Windows Update page no longer works. That is annoying for obvious reasons.

Another comment regarding the refresh button... Once I found it, I was semi-ok, but I do miss it. It would be nice to at least have the option of putting the refresh button on the menu where I like it. IMO. Which brings up another suggestion... it would also be nice to be able to customize the toolbars and their locations better. I don't think this is too much to ask.

On a side note - I love how compact everything is at the top. Very nice if you ask me. And another awesome improvement... THANK YOU FOR TAKING AWAY THE MENU AT THE TOP IN FULL SCREEN MODE!!!!

Overall, for a beta release, I would give this a A-/B+ rating. And for you complainers... go download firefox and stop spamming here. :P
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A review by me, a web developer, can be found here:
http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/07/28/ie-7-beta-1-a-first-glance/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Okay, the download is back in Operating Systems, it was missing for a while this morning.

Feedback:

1. tabs should be below menu bars not above- File,Edit etc. have alway sbeen top left of program. Why not now? Is that just my install, can I change it? Given that the UI layout is a firefox clone (and why not, that's not criticism - it works!), this should have been kept the same.

2. See comment above Re: Acid2 test. I mean really... I know it's beta 1 and all but did you think you'd get away with it and not anger a LOT of people?

3. NICE rss reader, saw the demo on channel 9 and it's fairly good. Is a 'live bookmarks' or similar feature in there? I can't see it so far and I use this all the time in FF to monitor read rss feeds 'on the side'

That's all for now, this feedback is for XP sp2 version, not seen vista yet. Are the two (IE versions) exactly the same? I assume not.

Anyway. a LOT more to do (esp. re: CSS 2.1 etc. you gus know more than anyone how important it is to do this or risk killing the IE brand forever as a browser) but it's nice that you're willing to show some progress is being made.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Two CSS bugs fixed ??? I'm disgusted...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
While we're posting IE7 reviews/posts:

http://naylog.blogspot.com/2005/07/few-words-on-ie7-beta-1.html
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Both the peekaboo and guillotine bugs have been addressed, and work on other issues is under way to provide web developers with reliable and robust CSS functionality. "

I guess a lot of people don't read anything at all. Clearly MS states that more issues with CSS will be dealt with. Clearly they weren't finished with it in time for this beta 1 release. So why not wait for that then, in beta 2 or the final beta/release candidate before complaining so much about the CSS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Because it's so vague, there's no mention that IE7 will support CSS2 fully, which - I feel should be a paramount specification. The fact that only 2 CSS bugs have been dealt with thus far doesn't leave me with much confidence at all.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And the fact that they're releasing Beta 1 to DEVELOPERS makes this fact even more poignant, as they should have dealt with DEVLOPER ISSUES before the GUI.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> I guess a lot of people don't read anything at all. Clearly MS states that more issues with CSS will be dealt with.

And at the rate of one CSS bug fix every two years , we can expect Internet Explorer to get CSS support on par with the rest of today's web browsers in the year 5000 or so.

Peekaboo and Guillotine bugfixes since Internet Explorer's release four years ago. Any more to add to the list, or is one bugfix every two years about right?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I've written down my thoughts on the release:

http://kurafire.net/log/archive/2005/07/28/ie7-beta-1-release

I must say, first feeling was of disappointment, but you can see from that post that I turned around on that somewhat.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
For goodness' sake - this is a FIRST BETA. It's way off production. I loathe IE6's CSS support as much as anyone else, but read what it says. It's NOT a finished product!

"CSS Updates - Internet Explorer 7 includes fixes for issues with the Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) feature. Both the peekaboo and guillotine bugs have been addressed, and WORK ON OTHER ISSUES IS UNDER WAY to provide web developers with reliable and robust CSS functionality."

"Please give us feedback on all of the features and changes in Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1; MANY OF THEM, including the User Interface, ARE PRELIMINARY AND UNDER DEVELOPMENT and your feedback is important in perfecting Internet Explorer 7 for shipment to all of our customers."

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/essentials/whatsnew/whatsnew_70_sdk.asp
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Not trying to add to the bashing going on here (really come on guys this IS a beta!) but can you uninstall IE7 after installing? IE7 broke MSN support in Trillian and I have to say I'd rather have Trillian than IE7.

Help?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Seems the background:fixed has been half fixed... Look at the "CSS X-Ray" page ( http://www.biocandy.dk/test.php ) : it doesn't work propely - i didn't expected it - but on my PC (3gHz) it takes 70% of the CPU power ! A single animated gif can't do that...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Crybabies!

Windows Vista beta 1 is lookig good to me (I'm a developer). I expect beta 2 to be more complete visually.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Due to te cash made by Microsoft, you are not credible, Dean. That's all.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm sure anyone stopping by here has already read that IE7 Beta 1 & Windows Vista Beta 1 have been released to MSDN. Nifty for me, I have an MSDN subscription so I've downloaded both. Vista is a 2.4gig download (and obviously is an ISO for a bootable DV
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Wow!

I love the user interface. I've been using IE7 for about 2-3 hours now and am beginning to wonder how I lived without it. I cannot understand why people dislike it. Everything appears to be in the right place (even the File.. Edit.. menus)

I must admit that the refresh button is awquad to get to, but I NEVER use the refresh button (F5).. so not a problem for me.

I'm somewhat dissapointed with the continuous lack of CSS support. Common guys.. you need to get this fixed! acid2 still looks like a traincrash. Only two of these: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html have been fixed.

Overall I adore IE7.. its sooo fricken speedy and the UI is great. But it's time for IE to catch up with technology and get standards SORTED!
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January 01, 2003
"hasta la vista windows
gustavo

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Microsoft will sorely miss Gustavo

wah

C"

you don't get it C, it's not about me, it's about miillions of people who don't speak english as their first language and have been waiting for the this release of IE for so long.

dig it?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Probably because the IE menu changes depending on what you're looking at... if you have a .doc loaded you get Word's menu bar, for example.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
There&#8217;s timing. Microsoft has released the first IE7 beta, and Opera has released a security update. (The latest Firefox update was last week.)
Reaction to the IE7 beta has been&#8230; less than enthusiastic. I can&#8217;t install it at work...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Come on people... Let's all wait for Beta 2. As with Windows, Microsoft always keeps new features at bay until the second beta. I believe the CSS rendering could be undergoing major improvements and might just not be ready for a Beta 1 release. We might still get a really nice surprise for that latter beta...

I really hope MS will follow up on this. You guys put up with a lot of bashing here, I really thank you to keep this blog going as-is.

But I do have one question for the MS IE team. My question is : why don't you communicate more on these features people are waiting for ? I believe you realize more than anyone here the importance of some of them, for developers notably (CSS2 is just an example). But your silence makes me think : is it you guys not willing to answer, or is it Microsoft policy that forbids you to be anything but vague ? I'm not asking you to answer anything (though there are questions that I'd love an answer to), I'm just questioning the origins of this (deliberate?) lack of communication.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And mine:

http://blog.hotpepper.ca/archives/2005/07/ie7-beta-1/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope that divs having style="height:100%;overflow:auto;" will continue to display scrollbars as they did before, whitout forcing scrollbars on the containing body.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Throw backwards compatibility away. Put the menu bar and toolbar and links bar outside each tab. They do not belong there. The concept is fundamentally flawed.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Al Billings [MSFT] wrote:
"I'm looking at the RSS feed in several different aggregators. Which one are you using and what problem are you seeing with it?"

Thunderbird
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is there plan to make XMLHTTPRequest a javascript object like what firefox, opera and safari are, so i don't need to create an ActiveX control? ActiveX control is not allowed in some corporate environment.

thanks
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January 01, 2003
Why not release Vista beta 1 to the public now? Is it that much more work to sift through the Watson bug reports?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
One more additional comment that is really a bug report. I have an IBM T40 using a second monitor as a dual display.

With the browser on the laptops main display I can flip to full view and back and everything is fine.

If I move the browser over to the secondary monitor and hit full view the browser completely disappears. No menu, no viewport, no nothing except the taskbar placeholder that doesn't respond when clicked on and doesn't display a right click option menu.

Had to shut it down using the task manager. Hopefully this feature will be cleaned up before the next beta.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
To those of you that have access to the beta of IE7 - does it have a decent download manager (that allows pausing and resuming of downloads and whatnot)? I think IE6's greatest failing (UI wise) is lack of a decent download manager. All other browsers have one (and even Mac IE had one for years).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Come on people, you're a bunch of hypocrites and whiners.

First, you whine and whine and whine that it isn't released yet. Then when it is, you whine and whine and whine that it's not perfect or complete yet.

First Beta's are never complete, and they often have major features or support missing from them. Usually, because the feature wasn't stable enough to be in a wide beta.

As far as the beta not being public. IT IS public. A closed beta is one that requires an invitation. Anyone can get this beta, just by being an MSDN subscriber. That's a public beta, even if you can't just download it for free. You don't have to sign any non-disclosure to get the beta, and most likely you will soon be able to order it from MS for the cost of shipping.

It's a public beta, people!

Just because it's not available to everyone for free doesn't mean it's not.

Finally... SO WHAT?!!! Give Microsoft your feedback, but for crying out loud... whining that the beta is incomplete so you're going to go to firefox or something else is just plain stupid.
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January 01, 2003
My windows XP SP2 language is portuguese. When I try to install the package, it tells me I can't install because of this. Follows the error message:
"Setup cannot update your Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 files because the language installed on your system is different from the update language."
Is there a workaround for this? Or only users of windows in english are able to test this beta release?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The mainstream press is just beginning to comment about Windows Vista ("Longhorn") playing catch-up to Mac OS X 10.4 ("Tiger"), but after reading the comments about IE7, it looks like Microsoft will also be playing catch-up with Safari. And it won't be in the way you might expect.

Apple made a brilliant move in providing anonymous CVS access to WebKit and providing developers a mechanism to report bugs through http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/. Technically, the WebCore piece of WebKit was already open source since it was forked off the KHTML project, and Apple provided--some might say "dumped"--patches for it on major releases. But by opening access to the entire framework, they now have effectively doubled (if not tripled--or more) the size of their team working on the code base. Most importantly, they essentially did it for free other than the cost of patch review and bug triage (which is also handled by volunteers). In fact, I predict that the next major release of Safari may be as standards-compliant as Firefox, if not better.

Why should this concern Microsoft? Because there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from building their own web browser using the WebKit engine...on Windows. Suddenly, there may be two free, open source browser engines available for Windows, both of which render content better than Internet Explorer.

Good luck on IE7 Beta 2. :)

Dave
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I did find one bug. It seems frames dont work as they should. If you go to Microsoft update and try to detect updates you see the green progress bar in the center as it should. but when it is finished it loads the result on the left side, not in the middle as it should. I tried this on 2 different PC's same result

Also one comment. what is the print option "Print Background colors and images" still doing in the advanced options? that should be in the normal print dialog and the print preview.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why is everyone so surprised that they can't use MSIE 6 and 7 Beta 1 at the same time? Don't you remember that Microsoft made MSIE a part of the Windows operating system during the 1990s Browser War to justify distributing it with every copy of Windows? Do you really expect to be able to install two copies of Windows at the same time? Well, okay, VMware or Xen non-withstanding, it just can't be done.

It's kind of funny, though. If you have Mac OS X 10.4 installed and then you download and build a version of WebKit from anonymous CVS, you can start Safari using the newly built WebKit, including your local changes! How powerful is that for debugging and testing fixes? And there's absolutely nothing to install or uninstall to do it (other than standard developer tools). I guess there's something to be said about using an open architecture in your operating system.

Dave
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January 01, 2003
Oh, and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get me a "Find Next" keyboard shortcut. You got rid of F3. In Microsoft Word you can use Ctrl-Pg Up and Ctrl Pg. Down. In Notepad/Wordpad you can use F3. If you could add something, anything to IE it would be a most joyous day.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Oh yeah, one more. When opening more tabs than can fit across the screen width, there is no way to click on the tabs that scroll off the screen. You have to click on a tab that is close to the edge, and then click on the desired tab. Can you make a widget on the tab bar that allows me to scroll through the tabs, without clicking off of the tab I am currently looking at?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey Microsoft,

got IE7. Acid2 test doesn't work (you know this already I'm sure)

It seems like just getting stuff like

data:image/png;base64 to work would fix a lot of this. You're not going to leave that out of IE7 final are you? (or data:image/gif:base64, etc. etc.)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, according to the IEBlog, a beta of both Vista and IE7 has been posted. Hey Robert, any chance of me getting in on this?...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It can be done by :
- decompacting the .exe
- creating a blank file named iexplore.exe.local
- lauching iexplore.exe

http://www.pyrat.net/Tester-IE7-sur-un-WindowsXP-non.html
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January 01, 2003
Shouldn't this be an Alpha Release?

And thats with the toolbar? I can't move it back up to the top, it annoys me where it is...
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Does anyone know if IE7 supports authentication to RSS feeds? Opera does this, I believe Firefox does not. This would be incredibly useful for our company if supported in IE.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
as a web site developer, this is hugely disappointing.

my job just got even harder...

as they say on the Eurovision Song Contents, nil points.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Sorry mate but you're reading what's not written.

"So CSS and "standards" bother myself less than developers"

Meaning exactly this: developers should be more concerned about standards, IT people - about usability and functionality.

Where in this sentence did you find "you don't care about standards...?" Since when "less than" means "zero"?...

Chill down mate, have a drink. This'll help to relax.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is there a URL to report bugs? I've noticed if I have something in the address bar highlighted and hit Alt-E, C instead of Ctrl-C, the Alt-E takes away focus from the address bar and nothing I'm intending to copy gets put into the clipboard. Not a huge issues, but an annoyance, no doubt.
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January 01, 2003
Trying to be constructive here...

Good work cleaning up the UI. I fully agree that it got 'bloated' especially upon the addition of 3rd party toolbars. Looks much better here (I always try to minimize IE6 UI and this defaults to a very small screen-real-estate footprint). Kudos.

Good work on the tabs. Fairly solid implementation. I do think they get a little clunky when you've got a bunch open (20+). Could you allow the user some kind of 'grouping' functionality or the ability to scroll (left and right arrows) between them (like in vs.net2003)?

Wow! The rendering engine seems a lot faster! I'm super-impresssed but maybe I've just been used to the slow-down introduced by msn search toolbar's tabs? who knows.

Thank you for allowing the user to choose the preferred search engine in search bar. It would be nice as a user to be able to move it like the other items on the IE toolbar (links pane et. all).

Am I missing something? Where's the RSS aggregator built-in? (XP SP2). Does it require WinVi? I guess I'm expecting sage-like functionality. I'll try to find some documentation for this.

Please keep working on css bugs. As you can see here, there are many folks who think this is muy-importante!

Could you please include a text-search funcitonality like firefox that resides on the browser window itself instead of covering up the html? Ctrl-F has never been satisfying for me in IE.

Along the same lines - when a user hits Ctrl-O or Ctrl-L for changing the url of the page could you highlight and put the focus in the address bar instead of opening that silly pop-up location window?

Could you include 'Adblock' functionality that uses regular expressions (or just wildcards) for blocking undesired ads?

I realize that most/all of this is too-little, too-late as the feature set is almost certainly locked and nothing more is going to get dumped into this release.

Thanks for your hard work! Keep it up!

-Eric
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Has anyone been able to run IE 7 without installing it and having it not crash at startup? I can't get it to work.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Found the rss aggregator stuff...fairly intuitive though not as flashy as sage (left 'history' sidebar thing is pretty slick). R-click-link --> add to favorites --> drop in rss folder of your choosing. (Later) choose said favorite and a very nice way of viewing rss feed data displays (though simple I agree w/ Xepol). I think I actually prefer it to the awkward boxes of sage/firefox. Is the css/format configurable? Can I determine what colors/font-families/text-sizes I want to use? Grouping would be nice (news,gossip,sports,weather). I guess I can do that already through the favorites functionality, though. Is there a way to show simply titles and no excerpts? You could get more feed data on one page and then maybe view multiple feeds?

Grouping of tabs in some form or fashion would be cool, though.

Again, thanks for your hard work.

-Eric
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January 01, 2003
"Microsoft is just asking for an illegaly leaked version of IE 7 B1 floating around."

Yeah, it happened.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE 7.0??? Looking at what has been changed (and what hasn't - standards support for instance) I'd say 6.1 should be a better version number...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Internet Explorer 7: Now in beta testing for developers" -- Ludicrous statement. I am a developer, I am NOT an MSDN or TechNet subscriber. What web sites are being tested? Almost NONE. It took five and a half months to go from announcement to closed, private beta, and this is without precedent in IE history. By the time December comes, WHO CARES if there is a Beta 2 -- no interest!
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January 01, 2003
Since installing IE7B1 I can't get Windows Update to work. It keeps "looking" and never stops. Is Windows Update broke with this beta installed?

I know the UI will change, possibly drastically in later versions, but whoever thought up the Beta 1 UI must like ugly. It is absolutely terrible. The address bar stuck at the top??? Come on...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well I just have to say thanks for bitTorrent. ;)

My first impressions are: What's changed?

seriously, it's the same! (apart from tabs and some re-arrangement.

still wondering why I'm testing it...
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January 01, 2003
John Lui, the beta is leaked and is now FREE FOR ANYONE who wants to test/bash it.

As much as you want to deny it, that is the truth.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey we will only let IT pro's and a select few look at IE7 first. What a joke!!. Hey Microsoft what is so special about IE7 that IT pros need to see it first. Opera and Mozilla users get to see the betas right when they get released. Not just a select few!. Keep your IE7!. Mozilla Firefox and Opers are light years ahead. And this is thanks to common people. Not a select few!!.
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January 01, 2003
OK so folks, IE7 is:
* in BETA.
* ugly,
* non-skinable,
* with buggy pop-up blocker
* and messy IHM
* a trap to get more searches on MSN search.

BUT I DON T CARE ABOUT THESE. ALL I WANT(*) IS CORRECT CSS RENDERING. Please fix bugs that are listed in this short review:
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/07/28/ie7_css_upda/index.php or http://tinyurl.com/96bcs

I'm not asking for perfect rendering. I'm asking you to get at least as good rendering as Firefox has. Having what Opera has would be heaven. BUT PLEASE MAKE IE7 A MODERN BROWSER, not just IE6 remixed with tabs and MSN search!

the don-t-you-understand-that-we-need-you-to-fix-css-rendering-? department

PS: Yeah it is important enought to be capslocked.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<....plumbing is mostly done; it's not exposed
<in the product yet.
<Secret Agent

Thank you Secret Agent. I appreciate your input.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
You know what would REALLY help my system security?

My kids have access to my machine. It would help me considerably if they could not download anything or install ActiveX controls, or change settings without a password.

That way, they kids could be locked out of the inevitable stupidities they commit, and I could still be able to do everything. I can also imagine a serious benefit to network administrators and company security.

Something like this :
1. You can only change settings if the password is diabled OR if you have the password OR you have administrator rights
2. You can ONLY change or disable the password in the settings dialog.
3. You can ONLY download files if the password is diabled OR you have the password.
4. You can ONLY download and install ActiveX, fonts etc if the password is disabled OR you have the password.
5. you could not UPLOAD files unless the password was disabled or you have the password (via post)
6. In the case of a domain, let the network administrator use a policy (such as must be part of the downloaders group etc)

If this option was available, my kid's machines would be significantly more secure, my life would be easier, even office networks could be more secure.

And its a feature that isn't in Firefox yet.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Firefox and Opera have evolved beyond the need for ActiveX...
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January 01, 2003
[Via the IE Blog] The IE team has made Internet Explorer 7 available for beta testing. Check out the...
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Seriously...

**** THE DOCUMENTATION...

WE WANT TECHNICAL DETAILS OF WHAT HAS CHANGED IN BETA 1, NOT VAGUE PROMISES OF STANDARDS FOR BETA 2.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
BTW, is the Dean Edwards running VERY slow for everyone?
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Any chance of fixing the issue which only allows 1 version of IE to be installed at any one time - it's a really pain for developers / designers who don't want to go to the hastle of having to re-partition parts of their hard drive just to accommodate Microsoft.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>When GMail first started beta (even now), it's
> public beta but it was never everyone's
> invited. And no-one every pointed fingers and
>say that it was all a lie. There was nothing
> wrong with that.

I believe the GMail was more a viral marketing plan than anything else. "I can't have a GMail account? Why not. Please let me have one, they must be GREAT!"

How mch attention has this drawn to the product releasing it in a 'private' public beta. For those of you without an MSDN subscription you all want a look.

It's just a shame they we're so quick to launch without the things that a lot of the people who can take a look care about. I care about security but as a web developer rather than a user (hence the MSDN sub.) I wanted to see standards support first. Sure pressure was on them to show Vista and so they were required to show IE7 but as has been said before All you need to do is TELL US what standards will be supported in beta2 to let us know we're not wasting our time even coming here.
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January 01, 2003
' BTW, is the Dean Edwards running VERY slow for everyone?'

I think that this signals that allot of webdevelopers are now fed up with microsoft and are searching for a sollution to make their job easier. Can't blame them.
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How can - anyone - write like - this. Constantly - inserting these - darned dashes in places - where they - shouldn't be.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just installed IE7 beta and quickly found one missing feature in tabbed browsing. The Close button should be on each tab (at least this should be an option). I've used this feature with Opera and in my opinion this would make IE almost perfect :) Little things make a good product the best product.
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
@ tester

I have a better idea - middle-mouse click on all your tabs. This works better in my opinion.

btw, the RSS feeds in IE are a joke, either that or they're just not finsihed yet. Here's hoping...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Arrogant MS. Forget the beta if they don't want public to see it. Use Fx; %20 market share now 90% market share this time next year.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
with my Logitech MX1000 wheel this is VERY uncomfortable.
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January 01, 2003
Microsoft:

Thanks for all the hard work! Things are really looking up with your browser. I like how it looks and can't wait to get it in my hands. My primary concern deals with standards compliance. I know this is an early beta but in the end, the more compliance, the better.

As a budding developer, I think Microsoft should set the standard and make it easier for me to develop apps with at least standards compliance with the W3.

Thanks again Microsoft and I can't wait to get it in my hands!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Since you apperently failed in fully implementing the :hover pseudoselector, wouldn't you guys be interested in adopting a brand new selector into your app? Something like :ImDesperateAndAngry. It could be applied only on HTML tag and it would cause formating C drive when the mentioned element is hovered.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
To the trillian ppl:
Just remove the msn.dll from your Trillianplugins folder and it works again. Seems like IE7 breaks only MSN support.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think it looks very good, and as long as you fix more CSS bugs in the next build lots of people will be happy!

Keep up the good work! :D
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It seems that IE 7 Beta 1 has been released.&nbsp; I no longer have my MSDN subscription, so I haven't...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey IE7 guys... you might wanna fix the Outlook Express problem...

After installing IE7, all links in Outlook Express emails take me to "C:Documents and Settings<username>"... not the website linked...

I have IE7, and FireFox installed, and set IE7 to default, and it didn't work, then set FireFox to default, and still didn't work...

This will be a major issue for many people...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Testerdude,

Please e-mail us with the contact form with more information on your system. I'm running IE7 with OE right now (and have on a variety of machines over the development cycle) and I cannot reproduce the problem that you describe.

Al Billings [MSFT]
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Today Microsoft released beta copies of the next version of Windows and IE7! It's actually not all that exciting. Well, not all that exciting for we Apple users. :-) A new Apple Store opening is much more exciting! My first...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Fanatastic... IE7 doesn't work when trying to use the windows update site!!! also IE7 Beta 1 is available, if your bit torrent sites.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yahoo's Mail looks terrible in IE7. Someone needs to contact them to tell them to update their site to reconize the IE7 user agent, it is simply terrible!!!!!
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Another one for you to fix:

1. Wrapping a <table> in an <a> element results in the link not firing when you click on it. It should work correctly as per the spec and as per EVERY other browser out there that I tested.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
James, which spec are you talking about? You cannot have <table> elements as children of <a> elements according to any HTML specification I know of. The correct parsing of such code is to assume the <a> element ends when the <table> element begins. If Internet Explorer behaves as you describe, then Internet Explorer is working correctly.

Although it is an error condition to miss out the required closing </a> tag, in which case any rendering is technically correct, the sensible thing for a parser to do is to assume there is an implied closing tag, since the content model of <a> elements forbids <table> child elements. The other alternative is to do something that is definitely non-compliant and can involve scanning in the character stream to see if there's a matching closing </a> tag after the <table> element. That's not sensible.

Complying with the specification doesn't mean making it work in Mozilla, or Opera, or any other browser. It means following the rules described in the specification. Usually, that's the same thing, but very occasionally, Internet Explorer gets it right when other browsers get it wrong, so you shouldn't automatically assume any particular browser's rendering is correct without checking with the specification first.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Now that I got over my disapointment I can say that well, MS did make some improvements. The thing I noticed most was that the history seemed to work faster on my pc. I'm hoping beta 1 is only a beta of the ui and not the rendering engine, because most people know betas as close to the real thing, but containing bugs. If the rendering engine isn't going to be improved, I'm sure IE will use a lot of users. I think what disapointed most users is MS gave the "select few" an alpha quality browser and called it a non-public beta 1. I think that's the main MS mistake here.
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January 01, 2003
Easy on the language, JKay. I'm sure most of the bad posts were either from MS haters or people who were socked to find the rendering engine too close to IE 6. But I'd say MS did do a bad job of explaining a few minor details that led to some of the misunderstanding.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
JKay6969: As far as we web developers go, simply changing our brand won't fix the real problem. Internet Explorer costs us more time and effort than any other factor in web development. In most cases, if I spend about an hour or so on a page that works perfectly on Firefox, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and ELinks, it then takes three hours just to make the darn thing work in Internet Explorer, and it often requires reducing the functionality of the webpage in some respect.

Internet Explorer is costing us time and money, and Microsoft continues to not deliver on their promises. We aren't just asking them to fix some "CSS bugs", we want the dozens and dozens of extremely useful and time-saving features that every major browser but Internet Explorer has supported for years.

The problem is that we can't reasonably do ANYTHING about this problem except sit here and wait for Microsoft to get their act together, or hope that other browsers stomp out IE's market share so that we don't have to worry as much about it. But right now, we're stuck in the dark ages, and Internet Explorer is the sole reason.

You say to wait and see what the final version offers. Here's how I see it: This beta release was clearly aimed at developers. It wasn't released to the public, just to MSDN subscribers, and they mentioned that this release is partly so web developers can test their sites in it and report any problems. But if this release was supposed to focus on developers, then why were no significant changes made that would be interesting to developers? Fixing two CSS bugs is not interesting. I'd expect that kind of progress from Firefox in a week. If Microsoft thinks that we would consider these changes remotely significant, then I have serious doubts about what the final version will bring. If Microsoft turns around and releases a quality product that solves all of our woes, I'll have to eat my words, but given everything surrounding this release, I seriously doubt that this could be anything half decent.

http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php#summary

Bring that CSS percentage up to 70% and I'll be impressed.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Very true, Nanobot. I'm a web designer too and IE quirks are the worst part of web design, IMO.
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January 01, 2003
I didn't see mention of supporting window.XMLHttpRequest like Mozilla and Safari have done. Would be nice to not require ActiveX be enabled to use XMLHttpRequest! This can't be very difficult to support (XML islands already do not require ActiveX be enabled).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
At last, Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 and Windows Vista are out and about. An MSDN subscription or invitation is required to play, and I am a grateful recipient of the latter. Now what? How about "Attack of the...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Tom,

> I'm looking at the RSS feed in several
> different aggregators. Which one are you
> using and what problem are you seeing with
> it?
>
>Al Billings [MSFT]

Hi,

I am using feeddemon and i don't have access to the latests items (3 or 4).

Regards
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The big news of the week is, of course, that Windows Vista Beta 1 has been released. In addition, IE7 Beta 1 was released as well. While I haven't installed either yet, this is definitely good news on the road...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Feedback + suggestions:
Using a low footprint UI is a good idea but this approach is terrible. On default settings, the icons are too small, and the RSS icon gives the user no idea as to what it really does. The "new tab" mini-tab is unintuitive. It’s also a bit ugly. Also, the tab bar takes space even when there are no tabs. As for the favorites menu, make it an option to switch on scrolling menus. Overall the UI is very unintuitive.

The anti-phishing filter is a good idea though it could be smarter. It checks web pages that don’t even have fields. The filter could scan for key words by input forms. Phishers must identify fields like credit card number, password, id, etc. for a victim to input. An additional security measure would be to check for encryption.

The Delete Browsing History option is too simple. It could be more customizable. Speaking of which, Firefox has the right idea in keeping privacy related information all in one place. IE could take note. I’ve always felt that that the Internet Options window was just slapped together and anything that didn’t fit went to the Advanced tab.

Other:

Organizing favorites is time consuming. A simple explorer window is all that is necessary. The current implementation is no good. An improvement would be to use large icon view with bookmark order being left to top and top to bottom like explorer.

The export function can be improved. It could include all internet explorer settings, browser history, privacy list, restricted sites, etc or whatever the user wants. At the very least I’d like to see bookmarks kept in order when exported. They’re always alphabetized.

Now for the true nitpicks. The new IE icon camouflages itself on the quick launch bar. The old IE6 icon was the best as it stood out. I guess this depends on background color mostly so dynamic icons could be an innovation. This probably doesn’t apply to the IE team though.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Beta 1 is more than a little bit rpoey - but no less ropey than I expected. I bet it has taken a while for the IE team to get themselves familiar with the code.

I hold out plenty of hope that things are going to improve a lot before Beta 2 appears.

I'll leave the rest of my comments to the ms beta newsgroups.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Things I like:

1) The tab visual look and feel is great! It’s very easy to use and way better than the MSN Toolbar approach. I especially like the small “I want a new tab” that’s always on the far right.
2) I like the fact that the top of the window just contains the address & search controls, and the menu and small toolbar icons. It makes much better use of space for the web page. In fact, I disabled all my toolbars because I felt they took up space that could be used for my web page. I only really use the toolbars for searches which you now include in the top right corner anyway. Cool!
3) I like the context-based button on the right-side of the address bar. If you’re going to a page, it has an “X”. When you have loaded the page, it turns to a “refresh” button. I like it.
4) I like the new security padlock on the right of the address bar.
5) I like the new printing changes.

Things I don’t like or could be improved on:

1) The search control in the top right corner should have a “clear search history” menu option.
2) I found IE7 crashed a lot when using the “Links” toolbar favorites. I have loads of links in that folder and choosing just about any of the links can cause IE7 to crash (about 40% of the time).
3) I’d like a better and more official Microsoft IE7 feedback site.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is the bug fixed in IE7 where the favicon becomes only visible when you first bookmarked the page ?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I notice that IE7b1 breaks document.domain security. That is, if I have two separate window/frames both setting document.domain='example.com', code from subdomain1.example.com can't access example.com or subdomain2.example.com. I get an 'access denied' error.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I tried to install IE 7 on Windows XP SP2 but I get the following error during "backup the registry":
"the data area passed to the system call is too small."

Any help.
Thanks
Ivan (iloreti@gmail.com)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I know this has been requested many times already, but I would like to add my voice to the list:

Please consider releasing IE7 for Windows 2000, even if it does not have all the security improvements that IE7 for WinXP would. A lot of corporate computers use Win2K, and it would be very nice to have the CSS fixes, tabbed browsing, and printing improvements.

I realize that a release takes a lot of time and effort, but if you don't do this, many users will switch to Firefox or some other browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Beta version is released, but how can ordinary people get it??
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Vishnu,

Beta 1 is a limited beta. People not within that group will have to wait for Beta 2.

Al Billings [MSFT]
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I've noticed that if I have the Auto Select encoding option turned off, RSS feeds display as XML.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Y a pas photo | Si IE7 n'est pas public, c'est qu'ils ont honte.

"Our goal is to get feedback from this group, do a bunch more work around quality"
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hello,

I'd like a new blank tab to open to say msn.com or google.com instead of a totally blank page.

Thanks,
Bob
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is it better to leave the Tools - Internet Options - Security Tab settings set to "custom" as when IE is installed or set them to actual "default" on this screen?

I've wondered this for a long time,

Thanks!
Bob

PS. IE 7 looks good so far. Will be anxious to see Beta 2 though.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Cette periode est particulirement active en ce qui concerne le dveloppement du futur navigateur internet de Microsoft. Une premire version Beta a t distribue quelques dveloppeurs le 28 juillet.

Ds le lendemain, Chris Wilson, chef de
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The "goto" button in the address bar is totally unacceptable. it is not visible, the default appears to be "refresh" unless you type something into the address bar. This is usless. People copy and paste a url into the address bar and there is no other way now to go there unless you hit enter. I tend to surf with just the mouse I don't want to have to lean forward and hit the keyboard for this. And in order to get the "arrow" or goto button, you again have to touch the keyboard and write something in the address bar.

Try to fix this please it is very irritating, have the thing understand when you paste a url into the address bar, the arrow or goto button should be displayed.

thanks!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What's with the Favorites?? It opens three panes wide and you cannot scroll anywhere to the rest of your favorites. Any remedy for this??
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am a web developer, and I have a very real interest in how the new version of IE will impact, well, my job. I'm also interested in how the new version of IE will impact the organizations I work with.

The organizations I work with are not-for-profits, and an MSDN subscription would be a poor use of funds for any one of them. I'm not against the idea of a limited beta release, and I'm not against Microsoft making piles of money. I'll just not be recommending that my organizations send Microsoft money for this particular subscription. However, I am interested in the opinions of those who have the beta. I am interested in what impact the new release will have on the websites I create and on the way that others in the organization use the web.

To those of you who are attempting to provide fair, clear reviews of what IE7 is, thank you.

As I sit here, I think it would be true to say that as a developer, I will be most impacted by changes in how IE renders pages, probably. My opinions on what IE should be or could be are not terribly relavent. I know that I will need to support IE7 when it launches whatever it is. I would like to know what IE7 is (or what it will be). What kinds of tags or css properties will be rendered differently? What kinds of pages will be rendered differently? I don't necessarily care about better or worse. I'll need to support IE6 and Firefox and Safari and IE7 (when it comes out). So what will I need to do differently to support IE7?

From the comments above, it sounds like there are two CSS changes, and that most everything else stayed the same. To me this sounds like IE7 is mostly like IE6, and I shouldn't worry much about whether any particular page will render differently in IE7. If that is the case, so be it. I would welcome comments on this point from those of you who have the beta available to you.

Changes in the UI are worth noting, but it doesn't sound like they will affect me as a web developer. However, it sounds like changes in the UI may affect training, tutorials and user documentation.

So, if I have followed the comments correctly, pages will be rendered in a similar fashion to IE6, but an explanation of how to get to the page will be different (different buttons, different menu position, etc). Is this correct?

If this is the case, it would be helpful to be able to at least get a specific list of changes to the UI before IE7 is released through windows update for XP, if it is ever released in this way.

Why? Have you ever done a mail merge in Word XP? There was a wizard added to the process with the XP version. It was a change from Word 2000. The wizard was clearer for new users, but I had the experience of retraining several secretaries who had happily and successfully used Word 2000's version. The change from one to the other was drastic and jarring. Several needed assistance to continue doing what they were doing before. I say this because it sounds like the changes in the UI are, well, drastic.

Is this the case? Will user documentation and tutorials will need to be looked at with a careful eye given to how IE7 works? I would also welcome comments on this point.

As for whether I will like or dislike it, well, I'll make that determination in due course. However, I know that it will be with me for years to come in either case. Screaming for joy or screaming out of frustation will just get me worked up over something I can't change.

Thanks again.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>>>>Is it better to leave the Tools - Internet Options - Security Tab settings set to "custom" as when IE is installed or set them to actual "default" on this screen?

I've wondered this for a long time,

<<<<<

its the the same thing, if you hit default, you come across a form or something and a prompt asking if you want to redirect or soemething, a trivial warning which is checked if you wan't to not see that warning every again, which you accept, bumps it down to 'custom'.

Can't remember exactly but believe it is a small warning when using forms only.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I tried out the IE7 Beta and would like to report an issue. Though I would like to state that I am not part of the beta program - I got the beta off a torrent site.
The problem is this, when I install IE7 - Windows Explorer loses the double click behavior. Items can no longer be opened with double click instead it defaults to editing the name. They can be still opened by right clicking and selecting open. The OS I am using is Windows XP SP2
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Taking life one instantiable class at a time" ? Yeah, right. Get a life. I mean, seriously. No flaming. And you know all about that.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Wish list for IE7

- A version for Win 2000, I have no plans on upgrading to windows xp, ever. I will be upgrading to Vista whenever it does come out (lets just hope it’s not another WinME all over again). So many people and corporate environments do use 2000, as it is, IMHO, the most stable and (power) user friendly (windows) OS out there.

- Min/max height and width, specifically

- Just come out of the dark ages and support (fully and properly) css 2.0/2.1, and while you're at, lets try for a little future compatibility and throw in a little 3.0.

- Maybe consider scrapping trident & go for a quick release of 7.5 (or 8), and build a better browser from the ground up. There is no use trying to fix a dead horse.

- try looking at your competition. Firefox it eating up your market share at a decent rate, and although I have switched to Firefox (and have no plans of returning to you), as a developer I do have to live with and code for your product, you may want to take a look at what they are doing, and why they are doing it, and it will give you a decent benchmark to hit and it is something tangible to beat.

- remove integration from the os. Frankly, it is excessive, and if you are not going to build a fully standards compliant product, allow home users a choice, and allow developer to install multiple versions easily (so at least we only need to work on one machine to fix our sites to work with your products)

Thanks
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Stick with Firefox and you will be happy. IE7 Beta 1 let me down... and every other web developer on earth. IE makes my life harder because it does not render CSS 2 to the W3C's standards. It does not even render all of CSS1!

Microsoft needs to say out of web browsers... they just slow the development of the web!
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
One of the things I think IE has over all other browsers is that it is already mostly loaded if you use Windows Explorer like I do.

Getting IE up from Windows Explorer is very fast, far far faster than Firefox.

Once IE releases v7 with tabs, I will uninstall Firefox.

Mark.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
sorry mark, but you can't compare two products which have not the same level of finition. one can bet that ie7 will become far far far slower when it will have reach the same stability and security level of firefox ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
sorry mark, but you can't compare two products which have not the same level of finition. one can bet that ie7 will become far far far slower when it will have reach the same stability and security level of firefox ;-)
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
FOUND THE REFRESH BUTTON!!!

I did it by accident too. It's between the address window list dropdown button and the search window towards the top right.

Kind of like it there, but really feel it should be down with the other buttons where we're most familiar, or at the least, an option to have it there.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, I downloaded and used IE 7.0 and so far I am disapointed at the functionality, performance is ok, but overall functionality leaves much, much to be desired, especially the tabs capability.

I am also surprise at the number of sites that no longer work after the move to disable scriptlet support and replace it with behaviors.

Overall I think it is an OK product, it is unfortunate that it has not lived up to its promises.

I hope that beta 2 brings some improvements.

For now, is back to the IE6.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hello.
There are still major dev. still going on.
Still, it is good to find so many users interested in IE 7.
It rocks.
DSL users will enjoy the new integrated tweaks.
Wait a while. Let us present our reports first.
Best regards,
Shah.M.Fadil Auckburaully
VB/ASP.NET Programmer
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's Beta 1. It's in Beta. Everybody grow up pro or con. If you are testing it, be constructive (otherwise why are you even in the Beta program). If you aren't then get over it.

Beta is part of the development life cycle to make a better product. It's not for all the little whiny kids to get their hands on so they can play with a new toy.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft is under so much presure from clients that bought software assurance that they have to push Windows Vista as much as they can even do microsoft XP works lovely! why are we going to upgrade to Vista is it worth it for a company to upgrade from XP to Vista? unless you have software assurance contrat? I think they should release more features for Xp. Even that they know that 40% of the companies are still using !!old windows 2000. OH well!!! we will have to migrate to vista buy the OS, and also upgrade the hardware as well, and upgrade the software that we use... and retrain, and of course forget MS-DOS and learn the new interactive shell codenamed Monad (MSH). Uffff that is a lot of money and resources... but Bill says we have to so i suppose we do...
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
Really Simple what?... or is it.. Rich Site something? Hands up those of you who've had a bit of evangelism to the uninitiated about the wonders of RSS Feeds thrown off course by a pointless explanation about what the letters...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When I paste a URl into the address bar, I should be able to click the "Go" button. For example, I right click in the address bar and hit paste to put my url in. Yet the Go button is still the refresh button. Can you please fix this?

Thanks,
Bob
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
can i just ask how many people actually use Microsoft windows today and is there a website which show the stats of all operating systems. i no this has nothing to do with this topic but would appreciate help thanks
billi1
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hey, i've been playing around with IE 7

You need to keep everything the same as previous browsers, such as the toolbar being up the top etc.

also there needs to be a refresh button in there! i know you can right-click but the average user wont know that!!

and also another problem is when you close the browser it closes all TABS that are open. there needs to be a second layer of protection because everyone will be used to closing the browser etc.

i reckon if everything looks the same as IE 6 + the tabbed browsing it will be a good browser and i would use IE over Firefox

cheers
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
first of all: i like win os and ie 7 since they are easy to use and i'm expecting ie 7 beta x (x>=2).
every improvement,even if the smallest,is to be appreciated.
i've tried 3 times the installation of sp2 + ie 7.0 beta and got this trouble: ie 7.0 beta 1 handicaps Babylon pro, which is a electronic dictionary.
how i got this is that: babylon runs quiet well in sp2 but after the installtion of ie 7.0 beta 1, babylon can't find any already installed glossary and gives no explanation.

i don't think the interference of IE 7.0 beta 1 into the functioning of babylon is through a complicated mechanism, though i've only the faintest idea of how an electronic dictionary functions in win 32 platform.

i'm not a developer :(
if anyone here have some idea on how to fix or circumvent this. please help me out by posting the reply here.

thanks!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When releasing browsers, especially beta versions, can you please not make them replace the previous version?

IE7 does not support all sites that are supported by IE6, so I am unable to reach many sites (most of which are internal tools for my company and therefore highly necessary). Just let it install in separate unqique place instead of auto-upgrading the old stable accepted version.
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