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Margins in endnote section of document not obeying document margins

Anonymous
2016-05-28T20:07:11+00:00

I am using Word 2016, fully updated, on a 2015 MacBookAir, latest OSX. Office 365 home. I just spent 90 minutes on phone support with microsoft. If you are having this problem, you are out of luck. Apparently many have complained, but it took Microsoft 1 hour to admit to me that this a  bug in the program. Margins for endnotes (so, any article, book, etc.), will not obey those of the document. This is especially fun if you have page numbers in your footer, because the endnotes will then overlap them without reason. There is no solution yet. If you have one, that is amazing. Please share.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-05-28T21:45:17+00:00

    Have you tried doing it with different margins than 1" all around? My bottom margin is .75". Footer is .5".

    It's an unpublished document, so I'm not comfortable sending the whole thing. Here's a screenshot of the issue, if that helps?

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  2. Bob Jones AKA CyberTaz MVP 435.9K Reputation points
    2016-05-29T13:05:22+00:00

    Without having the document nor seeing the nonprinting characters displayed in your screen shot I'm offering this as a somewhat "educated guess" :-) The spacing between the endnotes is not default behavior. How was it obtained?

    My guess is that empty ¶s may have been use to create space between the endnotes. This will cause the issue you're describing any time the volume of endnotes spans more than 2 pages. If you remove the blank ¶s & modify the Endnote Text style to provide the Space After it should eliminate the problem. Start with 120% of the font size for standard leading. It may be necessary to adjust slightly to get the effect you prefer.

    Just IMO, but in my experience the use of ¶s for vertical spacing purposes typically will cause all kinds of issues. With some isolated & specific situations they're best avoided in all but the most basic of documents - such as a letter to Mom :-)

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-05-29T01:15:51+00:00

    Hi John, thank you so much for your help with this. I did indeed use the insert/page numbers function to add page numbers. I didn't, however, revise the margin or mess with the frame after that. I was however able to fix the problem by following your suggestion to copy the page number, paste it outside of the frame in the footer, then delete the frame and re-center the page number. I added an extra return to "move it down." That works to clear the page numbers from the text but the central issue remains: The endnote text still continues too far down the page, in some cases as close as .4" to the page edge. I need that .75" margin for my publisher. Any solution to fixing that problem?

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  4. John Korchok 232.7K Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2016-05-29T00:16:23+00:00

    I think I know what's happening. When you insert a page number using Word's Insert>Page Numbers..., the page number is inserted in a frame in the footer. A frame has text wrapping which would prevent an overlap with normal text. However, footnotes and endnotes have an artificial positioning that makes them ignore the text wrap of the frame.

    I believe at some time you may have manually adjusted the position of the page number frame, or you may have added page numbers and later revised your bottom margin, at which time the page number frame did not move down. This isn't showing in the body of your document, because the frame wrapping stops normal text from overlapping.

    In any case, you can fix this by opening the header & footer. Then you can either select the page number frame and drag it down a little, or you can select the page number field inside the frame and paste it into the footer so it is positioned inline with the footer. If you choose the latter method, delete the frame and apply centering to the footer to place the page number back in the middle.

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  5. John Korchok 232.7K Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2016-05-28T21:10:27+00:00

    I'm not able to duplicate your results. In a test document I created, the endnotes use exactly the same margins as the rest of the document. Can you upload a sample that shows this to OneDrive or other cloud storage, then post a share link here? One of us will have a look at it. If you are concerned about confidentiality, you can email it to me at production at brandwares dot com and I'll examine the issue. Please mention thread 3dbe3f7d-8927-45ac-9fd3-2e5a7e597e91 if you email it.

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