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Bibliography issue: CSE citation sequence not sorting according to citation sequence

Anonymous
2016-08-03T17:53:26+00:00

Hi guys,

I am desperate to find a solution. I have been working on this issue for the past 4 hours and I can't find a solution.

Here is the situation:

  • I have a Word document (using Word 2016) with 44 bibliographical entries
  • I have chosen the CSE bibliographical style with the citation sequence sort
  • We will call the first citation in the document Citation1
  • When I create the bibliography, the first entry is another entry that we will cal Citation6 since it is actually the sixth citation in the document => this is not correct and I want the first entry to be Citation1
  • I have moved the sources.xml file to a "safe" location, i.e. a location I can control and easily access; in that file, the RefOrder XML tag for Citation1 is 1 - that is correct; the RefOrder XML tag for Citation6 is 100: I set it that way to make sure that there is no sorting conflict
  • Thanks to this article, I have found that Word uses a copy of that sources.xml file since the sources.xml is only the Master list and not the current list; the current list is "inside" the Word document (Word is actually a compressed file) in the folder customXml and is called (in my case?) item2.xml; I have manually set the RefOrder tag of Citation1 to 1 and the RefOrder tag of Citation6 to 100 (exactly like for the sources.xml file)
  • When I open the Word document with Word 2016 and I check the Source Manager, in the current list, the citation preview still shows me that the RefOrder for Citation1 is incorrect; if I delete the bibliography and make a new one, the first entry is still Citation6 instead of Citation1

It is very important for me to find the reason why this is not working properly.

Can anyone please help me?

Thank you!

Vincent

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  1. Jay Freedman 207.7K Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2016-08-12T17:54:49+00:00

    I clearly don't know as much about this topic as I'd need in order to help you. It just occurred to me that CSE style, and the other citation order styles, aren't present in Word as shipped by Microsoft. Are you using styles from BibWord or some other source?

    When I use the CSE - Citation Sequence style from BibWord, it does order the bibliography in citation order, but it also includes the citation numbers:

    > If I had to go look at where Word is told how to order, that would be in the style xml file itself, right?

    > Could you point me towards where that is? And what the command is?

    Assuming you are using the BibWord style file, it should be in %appdata%\Microsoft\Bibliography\Style\CSECitSeq.xsl.

    Open that file in a text editor such as Notepad. Search for the string b:SortKey. That element appears to control the sort order, but I haven't figured out how.

    If you need better advice, contact the author of the style file, Yves Dhondt. His email address is in the comment block at the top of the file. Yves used to contribute here, but I haven't seen him post for a while.

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-08-12T08:43:30+00:00

    Hi Jay,

    Thanks for taking the time.

    One issue is that the style I am using says "CSE Citation Sequence"; I am expecting this style to do what it says :-)

    The other issue is that the bibliography is that is isn't displaying by first author name either :-) Here are the first few references:

    Bartlett B. Size Matters: The Differences In Large- And Small-Diaphragm Condenser Microphones.<br>[Internet]. 2012 Available from: <br>http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/size\_matters\_the\_differences\_in\_large-\_and\_small-diaphragm\_microphones/.
    Wikipedia. Timeline of Recordings With A Flanging Effect. [Internet]. [cited 2013 December 22]. Available from:<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_recordings\_with\_a\_prominent\_flanging\_effect.
    Georgia State University. Modeling Reverberation Time.<br>[Internet]. Available from: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Acoustic/revmod.html.
    Golds B. Fiberglass, Rockwool, Polyester, Cotton, and Sheep Absorption Coefficients.<br>[Internet]. Available from: http://www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm.
    Woodford C. Headphones. [Internet]. 2013 Available from:<br>http://www.explainthatstuff.com/headphones.html.
    Winer E. The Audio Expert. <br>Elsevier Inc.; 2012.
    Winer E, Mellor N. Everything You Need To Measure A Room.<br>[Internet]. Available from: http://realtraps.com/art\_measuring.htm#6.
    Winer E. Acoustic Basics. [Internet].<br>2009 Available from: http://realtraps.com/art\_basics.htm.
    Wieczorek MTA. Room Mode / Standing Wave Calculator.<br>[Internet]. 2002 Available from: <br>http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoustics/RoomModeStandingWaveCalcu.html.
    Wieczorek MTA. Acoustics Crash Course 1 - Modes.<br>[Internet]. 2002 Available from: <br>http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoustics/AcousticsCrashCourse1-Mod.html.
    White P. Choosing The Right Reverb.<br>[Internet]. 2006 Available from: <br>http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar06/articles/usingreverb.htm.
    Ward P. Monitors Demystified, Part 2: Frequency Response Secrets.<br>[Internet]. 2000 Available from: <br>http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov00/articles/ustandingmons.htm.
    Trivedi Y. HTG Explains: How Do Guitar Distortion and Overdrive Work?<br>[Internet]. 2011 Available from: <br>http://www.howtogeek.com/64096/htg-explains-how-do-guitar-distortion-and-overdrive-work/.

    None of the citation order styles work (ACS, CSE, IEEE Reference order, ISO 960 Numerical reference) - see above.

    Title sort styles seem to work (GOST Title)

    Name order styles seems to work (APA, ASA, Chicago, CSE, GB7714, GOST Name sort, Harvard Anglia, Harvard Leeds, IEEE Alphabetical, ISO 690 First element and date, MLA, SIST02, Turabian).

    AMA, Humana Press, IEEE, LNCS, Vancouver do not seem to be sorting in any particular order (see above - at least it's consistently the same weird order).

    The other styles I can't test because I use an unsupported document type (DocumentFromInternetSite).

    If I had to go look at where Word is told how to order, that would be in the style xml file itself, right?

    Could you point me towards where that is? And what the command is?

    Thanks :-)

    V.

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  3. Jay Freedman 207.7K Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2016-08-11T23:47:19+00:00

    Quoting Field codes in Word:

    The Bibliography field displays an alphabetized list of sources that are associated with your document. [Emphasis added]

    The field completely ignores any RefOrder tags you change in the XML.

    I'm not an expert on Chicago Style citations, but everything I can find indicates that the bibliography is supposed to be alphabetical by first author name, not in the order they're cited in the document. For example, https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/owlprint/717/

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-08-11T06:52:56+00:00

    Can anybody help?

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-08-03T17:54:21+00:00

    I forgot to say that I am willing to try and test anything. I can provide screenshots if necessary.

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