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continuous section break in a template with a different first page reverts to a next page section break when another section break is put into the document

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2023-10-05T19:36:12+00:00

I am making a corporate template with a logo and a drop-down with some quickparts in the header of the first page. The footer of the first page is also different. Because I need to return the margin size to 1" on the second page, I need to insert a continuous section break which I have inserted just below the header on the first page. I have tried many different things and this seems the only reasonable way to do this because I need to begin text on the first page.

All of this works fine until a second section break is added if a landscape orientation page is needed. As you are aware, this applies the first page header to that page which is easy enough to fix by unchecking the different first page. Problematically, however, the continuous section break under the first page header, changes itself to a next page section break pushing all of the content to the second page - which won't work. I have played with every option I can think of in the layout tab of the page setup menu, and nothing is correcting this stably enough that I can reliably release this as a template.

Microsoft Office 365 Version 2309

Am I missing something very obvious? I don't think so, but possible.

Karen

Microsoft 365 and Office | Word | For business | Windows

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  1. Charles Kenyon 167.4K Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2023-10-07T03:45:40+00:00

    You need not have a section break to seem to have different margins on the first page and should not.***

    I am not sure this first sentence is true. I have tried this numerous different ways and read many, many community forum messages. Apparently you know how to do it. ***

    I and Suzanne Barnhill and many others here know that it is true.

    I gave you a link to a sample document doing that.

    Here it is again. Letterhead Textboxes and Styles Tutorial

    It is a workaround to actually having a different margin because inserting a section break for that causes all sorts of problems, as you have observed. The key is "seem to have different margins." The pages look and act as if they have different margins, but they do not change the Word setting for the margin.

    That tutorial is more than twenty years old and works as well today as when it was created. I updated it for the .dotx format. The screenshot is from a document in the tutorial which appears to have different margins on the first page, top, side, and bottom, but does not. It is also about using the StyleRef Field in the header/footer to reflect content typed on the first page, but you need not use that.

    We are here to help you with some of the quirks of Microsoft Word. Having to do these things to accomplish your result may not make much sense but that is how it works. The quotation below is from Bob Buckland, a very knowledgeable and helpful Word MVP more than twenty years ago. It is still true.

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    This is a user-to-user support forum and I am sorry if my previous posts seemed to not be supportive. That was not the intent.

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  2. Charles Kenyon 167.4K Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2023-10-05T21:39:09+00:00

    Unhelpful.

    Removing the continuous section break is possible but removing the ability of an entire company to be able to insert a landscape page for a figure is not an option. I understand your examples and those are fine solutions if I have constant control over the document. But as stated in the question, this is a corporate template which requires maintaining a certain lower level of Word familiarity.

    You need not have a section break to seem to have different margins on the first page and should not. You do not need to have constant control over the template to use these solutions and they have worked for thousands of users in the past.

    Your entire company can insert the landscape page. If someone inserts a landscape page in a document, there will be a next-page section break before that page and after it. This means two new sections.

    These sections continue the settings in the previous section for different first page and for link to previous in the first page headers and footers. If those are not desired, Different First Page needs to be turned off in the new sections.

    I can't change how Word works, and neither can you. This is how it works and how it has always worked.

    I do not work for Microsoft and am a volunteer.

    Only your corporation can decide how much training people need.

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  3. Charles Kenyon 167.4K Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2023-10-05T21:01:32+00:00

    Do not change the margin!

    Do not use the continuous section break under the header!

    See::

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    Although those are written for letterhead, the same principles apply in reports or other documents where you think you want a different margin on the first page.

    A change in orientation for one or more pages will always cause a Next-Page section break (or two).

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  4. Stefan Blom 341.4K Reputation points MVP Volunteer Moderator
    2023-10-05T21:47:15+00:00

    To have different settings for the first page, you don't need a section break. For more, see the articles for which Charles provided links. In particular, MVP Suzanne S. Barnhill explains how to set up different margins on the first page at http://wordfaqs.ssbarnhill.com/Letterhead.htm#Complex.

    To add a landscape section, you do need a section break.

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  5. Anonymous
    2023-10-05T21:22:20+00:00

    Unhelpful.

    Removing the continuous section break is possible but removing the ability of an entire company to be able to insert a landscape page for a figure is not an option. I understand your examples and those are fine solutions if I have constant control over the document. But as stated in the question, this is a corporate template which requires maintaining a certain lower level of Word familiarity.

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