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Why did they make the Surface Book with a 3:2 aspect ratio and put 3000x2000 pixels on a 13" screen?

Anonymous
2016-04-05T14:07:02+00:00

I'm coming from an original Surface Pro that was great for everything... Office, Web Browsing, watching videos, older games, etc.

So I was really excited about the Surface Book and got one for my birthday. But I'm finding that it's awkward to use with anything other than Office and Web Browsing-type tasks that aren't graphically intensive due to the aspect ratio and resolution. I have the model with a GeForce in it, but it doesn't seem suitable for anything that Intel HD graphics couldn't handle. The resolution is very high, and the aspect ratio results in black bars with both 4:3 and 16:9 content/resolutions that most things are designed around. While it's a great machine, I have to scale Windows up to 250% in order to see what I'm doing on the screen, which effectively means I'm using it like a 1200x800 display. If I want to actually use the entire 3000x2000 resolution at 100% scaling, I have to hold it less than an inch from my face. So... what's the point of having such a high resolution on a 13" screen in the first place, if I'm just going to have to scale everything up so big that the higher resolution does no good? It just introduces additional graphics processing overhead that limits what I can do with the graphics hardware because it has to drive a higher resolution than necessary.

It also has 16GB of RAM and the fastest SSD I've ever seen. Again, I have no idea what to do with it... just open a few thousand tabs in Edge and Excel, I suppose? I feel like I have a $3000 netbook that's very, very comfortable to use and in no way limited from running any productivity application I can imagine, but which has a completely impractical design that wastes most of the potential of the hardware inside.

I know that I'm probably not the sort of user this is targeted at, but could someone tell me exactly what this is for? People keep saying that 3:2 and the huge resolution on a tiny screen are a selling point, but I'm just wondering what it was intended for. I'm personally probably going to end up using it when I don't want to be tempted to use YouTube or play games and need to focus on work, because this computer discourages both activities... and also, the pen is very useful for writing out Mathematical stuff, which is one of the few things I still did on paper. Also seems a little better than the Surface Pro's pen, which was already very good.

I feel like I must be missing something here, because if it were only good for the uses I'm thinking of, then it should only have 4-8GB of RAM and Intel HD Graphics... what's the point of putting a GeForce and 16GB into a machine like this? All that extra power won't put a dent in the 3000x2000 resolution, at least not enough to actually do 3D rendering of any kind. And the only thing I can think of to do with 16GB of RAM that doesn't involve graphical workloads would be running Virtual Machines, but that seems like a strange thing to do with a laptop.

Again, I'm not saying that there's no one out there that would use this, but I just want someone to tell me why anyone would want to use all this perfectly good hardware on a screen with a weird aspect ratio and a resolution that taxes the GPU so heavily you can't do much other than run 2D desktop apps. In my mind, it's a waste... sure, you can plug in an external monitor, but that sacrifices the portable nature of the machine. Is there a niche out there that likes this resolution and aspect ratio, and if so, why do they like wasting large resolutions on small screens and using awkward aspect ratios that no one else likes? What do they do that makes those things an advantage or selling point for them? People keep saying it or hinting at it as if I should just know what kind of person cares about those things, but I have no clue. I can't even imagine.

I wasn't sure whether to post this as a question or a discussion... I went with discussion because I don't actually need help and I'm happy with the device's operation. I'm just inquiring about why it was designed the way it was designed...

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-04-05T17:03:50+00:00

    I primarily use my Surface Book for trading using Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation, Microsoft Office 365 and for my photography avocation using Adobe Lightroom/Photoshop CC subscription.

    The native aspect ratio for 35 mm photography is 3:2.  Being able to see and work with my full frame photos at native 3:2 resolution on my Surface Book 3:2 3000 x 2000 screen is absolutely incredible.

    All of the applications I use scale to 3000 x 2000 beautifully. Having the additional real-estate of 3:2 for all my applications is truly liberating. 

    After using the 3:2 aspect ratio there is no way I would ever want to go back to the old elongated, squat 16:9 "movie" ratio.  Quite frankly, after using 3:2 with my Surface hardware for the past year and a half, 16:9 now looks weird to me.

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-04-05T16:03:12+00:00

    3:2 is a strange aspect ratio, however 3000x2000 is just beautiful. Note that Macbook Retina 13-inch has 2560x1600 native resolution. 

    The issue with SB is that some applications are not designed to display properly on a scaled resolution. As far as I know, this is Microsoft's first try on a scaled display with super high native resolution. They still have a lot of bugs to fix.

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  3. Anonymous
    2017-01-04T19:01:58+00:00

    I'm motivated to respond here simply because we live in a world of people who seem to think 16:9 is a suitable screen ratio for computing, so much so that it's become almost impossible to find laptops and displays that aren't 16:9.

    16:9 is an absolutely terrible screen ratio for computing.

    For me, the single most important reason to get a Surface Book is the screen ratio.  I made up my mind 5 or 6 years ago to never spend money on a 16:9 laptop, and I have stuck to it.  What this means is that after my 2006 laptop died (Toshiba with 16:10 display) I simply had to live without a laptop for a while, sometimes awkwardly making do with a work-issued 16:9 laptop (insufferable).  I eventually bought a MacBook Air with a 16:10 display which is Boot Camped and running Windows.  I've never been able to buy anything else because all the PC manufacturers switched to 16:9 screens for the sole purpose of saving money.  Some people think their screens got wider.  What they really got was shorter (vertically).  In order to have the same kind of screen real estate in a 16:9 lappy that I had on my 15" Toshiba, I would have to buy a 17" or larger (does larger even exist?) laptop.

    Things that are awful to do in 16:9 include:

    • Programming (my job)
    • Spreadsheets
    • PDFs/DOCs other text documents
    • Photo editing
    • Video editing
    • Audio editing
    • Web browsing
    • Graphic design
    • 4:3 videos
    • Some games

    Things that 16:9 is good for:

    • Movies
    • Some games

    I think these lists make the problem pretty evident.  16:9 is not good for using computer software, it's only good for movies.  There are much better devices for watching movies than laptops.  Obviously, the best is a TV.  If you're going mobile, then use a tablet.  I guess some strange people use their phones, even.  So why, then, if 16:9 is not good for computing but is good for entertainment, did virtually all manufacturers change to this ratio on their displays?  In other words, why did they make computers more geared toward the thing they aren't meant for (entertainment) and less geared toward the thing they are meant for (computing)?  The answer is cost.  They stripped away a bit of vertical space and made a concession to the Asian companies who cheaply churn out LCD displays by getting rid of the variety of ratios that had to be manufactured.  They bet on people being not observant enough to care, and to a great extent they won that bet.  Thankfully Apple did not capitulate, and now other manufacturers have started to realize how terrible their 16:9 laptops are, especially when trying to shrink them ever more to sizes well under 15".  I could not commend Microsoft enough on the Surface Book and its decision to go with a work-friendly aspect ratio.  Unless other manufacturers get their acts together on this, the Surface Book with performance base WILL be my next computer.  Just gotta save a little coin!

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  4. Anonymous
    2017-04-05T18:06:00+00:00

     I actually just returned my surface book for this exact reason. I hate the aspect ratio, I work in excel all day where I need to see spreadsheets wide, Square is useless. Same with our order entry system through salesforce it is also super wide where you have to normally scroll back and forth to see everything.  I also just can't get over how old this computer looks, I just spent $2000 on a laptop and when I see it sitting on my desk I feel like it is a Mac from 10 years ago with a square screen. When everyone else in my office walks by with their ThinkPad it really makes the surface look old and square.

    That seems just a bit strange reasoning to me. I use Excel a lot too. The Surface Book screen is just as wide as any 13" notebook screen, but it is a lot taller. So I get the same spreadsheet width but I get a lot more information top-to-bottom which I find invaluable. I'd certainly never trade my 3:2 aspect ratio for a scrunched-down and flattened 16:9 ratio.

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  5. Anonymous
    2017-03-22T21:24:25+00:00

    See, there's so much discussion about 16:9 being horrible for things - but I actually prefer it.  I just see it as basically the same thing - just expanded to show more info on the left and right...  I mean 2000 vertical pixels is just that...  It doesn't matter if it's 3000 wide or 4000 wide...  The height doesn't change...  Just now there's more room each side for content.  Eg. if you do a 'fit to screen' the content will look pretty much the same.  And with 16:9 I can have 2 Word documents open side by side and cut/paste between w/only switching focus and not needing to move one window "to the back" and out of site...  As someone whose job is more around writing documents or comparing/researching, the wide display is so much better than a 3:2 or 4:3 could be for me.

    And for people like the people doing photographs/editing - full screen on 16:9 is not ideal for presenting but I would assume using something like photoshop (3:2 or 4:3) where you have tools on the left 'and' the right it's actually a lot easier to work with the image as it would fit easier to the top of the monitor and the bottom instead of having the "black bars" on the top and bottom of the image.

    For awhile I had my center 16:9 monitor turned to Portrait mode - so 9:16 I guess.  For Word and Excel I now had significantly more vertical information than before and the ribbon/toolbars at the top didn't take up so much of the screen.  It was great...  Problem is that it was a 30" monitor and I kept looking "up" which made my neck sore after long days and switched back after a couple of months.  And for cutting/pasting i went away from my side-by-side windows and had to use another monitor because all my main display became good for was "one document at a time".

    Anyway - I think there are merits for both but 16:9 is getting too bad of a rap.  I think it's more on the application developers (mostly MSFT) to not embrace the wide angle in things outside of Outlook or Powerpoint.  If they had a decent ribbon on the left that took up an 1/8 of the screen and another on the right for optional info or settings, you would essentially be left with a more traditional window to manipulate your data - whatever it is...

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