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win7 64 bit installer installs 32bit apps over 64bit versions

Anonymous
2014-06-22T00:26:56+00:00

I have...(System Information)

OS Name    Microsoft Windows 7 Professional

Version    6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601

Other OS Description     Not Available

OS Manufacturer    Microsoft Corporation

System Name    xxxxxxxxxx-PC

System Manufacturer    Hewlett-Packard

System Model    HP EliteOne 800 G1 AiO

System Type    x64-based PC

Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570S CPU @ 2.90GHz, 2901 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)

BIOS Version/Date    Hewlett-Packard L01 v02.05, 06/10/2013

SMBIOS Version    2.7

Windows Directory    C:\Windows

System Directory    C:\Windows\system32

Boot Device    \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale    United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer    Version = "6.1.7601.17514"

User Name    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Time Zone    Eastern Daylight Time

Installed Physical Memory (RAM)    16.0 GB

Total Physical Memory    15.9 GB

Available Physical Memory    12.0 GB

Total Virtual Memory    27.9 GB

Available Virtual Memory    23.5 GB

Page File Space    12.0 GB

Page File    C:\pagefile.sys

99% of the time, when there is a 32bit and 64bit application in the installation package, the 32bit version gets installed.  For example I just purchased a Kensington ExpertMouse model K64325 trackball and when I installed

TrackballWorks™ 1.1.18 for Windows (32-bit,64-bit) (Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1)

The 32bit version was installed.  Like I said this happens 99% of the time.  Is there a workaround or some way to have the 64bit version of the app installed by default?

Hmmm... I just thought of something.  Are there two different installers for Win 7 Pro; a 32bit and/or 64bit?  Is there a way to see which installer is being used?  Is it the installer being used that may be the culprit?

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  1. Anonymous
    2014-07-02T23:03:07+00:00

    Your experience certainly goes back much farther than my gaming based experience.

    Didn't start on PC until '04, but I did play with programming a Univac  1004, I think it was  (Punch cards, Sorters, Collators, and all that fun stuff, filling up a large room), as part of what

    the army called project transition (in '69 or '70).

    This was supposed to provide experience that could translate to a civilian job. Of course we weren't to know that this machine was already obsolete in the civilian realm. That's army for you....

    ...

    Cheers - BD

    Thank you for your service and; Welcome Home Brother!  I was USA active '71-'73 and stationed in Anchorage, AK - 172 Infantry Brigade, 172 Support Battalion - as I like to say, the "other" cold war.  At one time, the F-16s had a complete hardware redundant microVAX running SEVMS (Security Enhanced VMS) to run the plane and targeting systems.

    At DEFCON-9 in Los Vegas many years ago, the hacker group 2600 was given a VAX rinning OpenVMS and asked to hack into it - They were NOT given access to the console.  They failed and their comment about OpenVMS was, "Cool and unhackable."  Don't get me wrong, OpenVMS has been comprimised but it was through Social Engineering.  The likes of Kevin Mitnik often called a high ranking Executive Secretary and told her he was in the "machine room" doing backups and asked her for her boss' username and password and 9 out of 10 times they did.

    Anyway, I digress.  Thanks for the explination and again, Welcome Home Brother, Welcome Home.

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  2. Anonymous
    2014-06-30T09:03:43+00:00

    Your experience certainly goes back much farther than my gaming based experience.

    Didn't start on PC until '04, but I did play with programming a Univac  1004, I think it was  (Punch cards, Sorters, Collators, and all that fun stuff, filling up a large room), as part of what

    the army called project transition (in '69 or '70).

    This was supposed to provide experience that could translate to a civilian job. Of course we weren't to know that this machine was already obsolete in the civilian realm. That's army for you....

    Anyway, my understanding is the programs that say  'for 32 or 64bit Windows', are not emulating

    64bit. It's more a case of 64bit OS's being compatible with 32bit programs.

    But yes, software developers have certainly been heal dragging with developing proper 64bit

    programs.

    I suppose it's mostly to save money while allowing for across the board compatibility for all those

    millions who are still using 32bit Windows. Perhaps also because, for most software, 32bit does the

    job well enough anyway ?

    The 32bit era is creping slowing (much more slowly than the change from 8 and 16 bit to 32 bit I suppose )

    toward redundancy though.

    Cheers - BD

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  3. Anonymous
    2014-06-30T01:28:29+00:00

    Certainly makes sense the way you answered my question.  Yes I was referring to the actual application install program not the OS installer.  When I see both 32bit and 64bit I thought they actually had a 64bit version of their application but what they ARE doing is emulating the 32bit version on the 64bit OS.

    For as long as 64bit OS's have been around, MS anad third-party apps. seems to be the dinosaur and, to me, still hasn't fully embraced true 64bit instructions.  I managed 64bit DEC Alpha systems back in the early-mid '90's and we migrated many of our OpenVMS/VAX 32bit applications to run on OpenVMS/Alpha 64bit hardware. <sigh> I miss the good ole days.  PDP/8 (8bit) to PDP 11's 16bit to VAX 32bit and finally to Alpha's 64bit instruction set.

    K-Exec (Kodak-Executive) was the very first real-time OS for the PDP11/05 and it was loaded via a card deck.  Yup, that's how it was done in ancient times -'70's-'80's.

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  4. Anonymous
    2014-06-29T07:44:05+00:00

    "Are there two different installers for Win 7 Pro; a 32bit and/or 64bit?"

    If you are speaking of the Windows install disk, yes, but your information above says -

    "System Type    x64-based PC" . Which indicates you have installed 64bit Windows.

    You can also verify this via Control Panel > System.

    There are relatively few actual 64bit programs. Most often (in my experience) when there are two

    different versions they are bundled separately, as with Windows, Graphics Drivers, and my Logitech keyboard and mouse software.

    I'd be guessing in this instance that, while the installer says

    "Windows (32bit, 64bit)" ... what it really means is the program will run on either 32 or 64bit OS's.

    .

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  5. Anonymous
    2014-06-29T05:21:35+00:00

    Ferris? Ferris? Anyone?

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