Several Event ID 41 errors, but haven't experienced a BSOD or any unexpected shut downs.

I did all my most recent tests with the heater unplugged and nothing changed there so I dunno, guess I’ll try to be more conclusive about what else could be on that circuit but I currently can’t think of anything. I know this may not matter much but the issues don’t change when nobody else is at home using anything.

As mentioned, nothing is OC’d. I use MSI Afterburner for my GPU fan and to use in conjunction with RTSS for its frame limiter. I’ve tried testing things without MSI Afterburner running in the background, and nothing changed. Also tried pausing hardware monitoring and setting a fixed fan curve, no changes with that either. 

Only dmp files I could find a couple days ago were under a “WATCHDOG” folder, saying they dated back to 2018. I’ll do another search next time. 

Yeah not too sure I can really pin this on an overheating issue of any kind. As mentioned in my initial post, I’ve had 5-7 second freezes on my desktop while basically idle/browsing or whatever else. I don’t see any improvements or worsening of issues when my temps are lower or higher. I will continue to keep note of this regardless though.

Apologies that the link didn’t work. I’ve sent it to two others just now and they can see it fine including myself, so I guess I’ll just post it again here. No worries if it doesn’t work.

https://imgur.com/a/rWK5f9l

A heater pulls a lot of power so I would not have it on the same circuit. Typically, a heater pulls 1000 to 1500 watts which could account for a low power issue on its own. Also, be sure that you are aware of everything thing that could be on the same circuit - even loads which are possible in other rooms.

MSI afterburner? Are you over-clocking anything? OC can account for these issues on its own. Stop to see what the results are. Troubleshooting hardware issues with OC in play is a self-defeating process.

Search for any file with the .DMP extension.

Cooling may help, though it is a power related issue the extra draw may cause it - sort of a two-way street with some pluses and minuses both ways.

For MSI Settings you should consult MSI and the various hardware vendors. The various game supports and forums should be able to help.

Yes, you should do anything you can to try to resolve the issue. Too often, it is what we think we don't have to do it the cause. Use patience and diligence.

(Your 2nd link gave a 404 error so could not see what it was - be sure any supplied links work on your end and are clean in their presentation with nothing sharing part of the link. Even trying to clean it up on my end did not help.)

Here to help,

Rob

Hi Rob, thanks for all your contributions on these forums and for choosing to assist me in this issue. Apologies for taking a while as I still have to go through a lot of these stress tests, but I guess I can address what I know so far if that helps at all. Just going to do this in a messy way to get the info out.

Regarding the possibility of my CPU or GPU throttling, this does not seem to be the case. The one thing that appears to remain constant through all my tests (with MSI Afterburner/RTSS) are the clock speeds for both components. In fact, my GPU is almost always running past its base clock speed (typically ranging between 1735-1835MHz), unless I'm running a game that's far less demanding. There's also similar behavior with my CPU as it tends to remain constant at an overall clock speed of 4295MHz (while under load of course). Unsure if this information is conclusive enough, but just let me know. Should also mention that I've never attempted to overclock any of my hardware.

You brought up a good point regarding low power that I briefly attempted to troubleshoot in the past, but I decided to spend more time on that recently. So as far as I know, my house does not have any major issues, and the only other thing on the same circuit that would be worth mentioning would be a heater that I use. I unplugged everything I could and tried running through some play tests for a few hours and I did not notice any difference. 

Moving onto the dmp files, I was not able to find any folders under C:\Windows. I checked the settings for this on my PC and it was set to "Automatic memory dump", with the location being "%SystemRoot%\MEMORY.DMP". I looked for any memory.dmp or minidump folders in C:\Windows and tried win+R as well, but nothing came up. %SystemRoot% is obviously the same thing but I also tried that just in case, and still nothing. I might've had some dmp files before I did the Windows Repair Upgrade, but as of right now the folders don't even exist. I even got another set of Event ID 41, 29, and 6008 errors, and still there's nothing there.

I'm just gonna make a note on performance in games and their requirements. Currently I am well above the requirements for the games I play, and the raw numbers I can draw from testing appear to match tests from others with similar hardware. I've even tried the lowest graphics settings possible on the games that exhibit the most frequent stutters, and I still have the same problems. One interesting thing to note is that I could consistently get 130-140 fps in one area, but capping to 120/100/90/75 fps in that same area still sees small drops of 1-3 frames (according to MSI Afterburner's overlay/graph) that result in very noticeable stutters. A 60 fps cap appears to reduce the severity and occurrence of these stutters by a good amount, but it's not free of issues. I guess I'd need to play a lot more at different frame caps to really give something more conclusive there, but that's what I've observed so far. I also did around 1-2 hour long play tests in CS:GO and Siege, and somehow I had no stutters in Siege but had microstuttering in CS:GO, which is far less demanding. This isn't just me noticing normal variances in frametimes by the way, as I actually don't get bothered by a varying framerate with G-Sync. 

Now all while doing some more of these play tests, I bumped up my case fans to 50% to cool down components even more. I didn't happen to notice any improvements, but I did have two big stutters that resulted in CPU power dipping for the first time (at least since I started monitoring it). These weren't the only two that happened during that night, but they were the most interesting ones to me. I have some pictures of the graphs to show here, and if you see my cursor hovered over another point in the graph, that's just to help give a reference point as some of the dips are hard to see. Here's the two examples:

1. https://imgur.com/a/dVu3gOm
2. https://imgur.com/a/rWK5f9l - GPU power in this instance dipped first before everything else, which is why I placed my cursor there to show both values

As I mentioned before, not all stutters are the same and my results aren't always super consistent, but this tends to be how it looks when it's this bad. I've had similar things happen without drops/with minimal drops in fps so it's all just very strange. I also tried setting the case fans to 70-75% and didn't notice any improvements there, and I also couldn't get those same big stutters to happen during those periods. It's not really something I can reproduce reliably so it's a bit hard to really narrow down. The fans were indeed functioning properly as well.

That about concludes what I have so far. Even though I already knew my PSU was enough for my configuration, I did the calculations anyway and confirmed it. I still have to open it up and double check to make sure I received the correct part, so I'll have that info next time. I also haven't used MemTestX86 or done any of the other stress tests yet, but just so I know for sure, you want me to run that test with both sticks together, and then run it again for both individually? 

Thanks again for the help. Hopefully I'll be back pretty soon with more results.

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Here to help,

Rob

Hi Link2448, I am Rob, an independent and a 14 time and dual award MVP specializing in Windows troubleshooting and Bluescreen analysis. Please remember as independents we are not responsible for the development of Windows or the computer hardware and drivers. If you will work with me I will be here to help until the issue is resolved.

As you probably already realize, this can be an extremely difficult issue to resolve in the home environment. Though it often is possible to correct the issue or at least narrow down the likely causes.

Some of what I post below you will already have seen, however, please review them in the context I use them as I have helped troubleshoot this issue and similar many times.

First : the CPU will likely throttle in the high 60 C's if not before.

Best to check with GIgabyte Support, docs, and forums.

Second : the GPU temp of 75-81C might be an issue as its throttle point is in the low 80C.

Best to check with GeForce Support, docs, and forums.

Third : the 850 Gold PSU, if perfectly working, would normally be enough for a single GPU system though check with the both the above to be sure. Also, see the methods I post below.

Low power, such as a brown out condition, can definitely cause this issue. Does the home have any major power issues? What else is on the same circuit (not just the same outlet) that the computer is on?

Fourth : are there any C:\Windows\memory.dmp files or C:\Windows\minidump xxxxxxxx.dmp files?

There are other possible causes than power though that is a major one.

Fifth : are you over-clocking anything? If so STOP!

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My usual troubleshooting guide :

Could be your computer just does not have the complete specs to run your programs or games. Best to check with the program and game makers' support and forums.

ID41 with no Bug_Check - The main cause of this issue as you have described is hardware related :

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/202850...

1. Over-Clocking -> best to reset ALL to the defaults especially while troubleshooting
2. Memory (check thoroughly as indicated below).
3. Power Supply (see below to ensure you have enough power).
4. Over-heating - even if the overall temps are with-in specs a single component can be too sensitive to even the normal levels of heat and fault at a lower temp. Try adding a fan blowing into the case to reduce the effects of heat even more than the cooler usually does. Of course ensure all built-in fans are running.

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After checking determining the wattage of the power supply you will then need to check the requirements of the motherboard and devices. Usually the video card is one of the major power users.

How do I determine how big my power supply is?

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000800.htm

Other good sources of information are the device makers' sites and their forums.

eXtreme Power Supply Calculator

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlit...

Power Supply Calculator

https://www.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calcu...

Choosing the right power supply for your computer

http://en.kioskea.net/faq/588-choosing-the-righ...

How Do I Test the Power Supply in My Computer?

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/f...

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Memory tests do not catch all errors such as mismatched memory (possible even for sticks that appear to be identical) and when faster memory is placed in system behind slower memory. So it is best to also swap sticks in and out to check for those even if all memory tests fail to show a problem.

To test RAM check here - let it run 4+ hours or so. <-- best method

www.memtest.org

MemTestX86 - Test RAM With

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/14201-memtes...

For the Windows Memory Diagnostic Tool.

Type in Cortana's search box -> Windows Memory Diagnostics

at top of list - click it. in Windows 8/8.1/10 the name is "Windows Memory

Diagnostic".

Possibly, these Stress Test (use all) may help to identify the cause.

PC Stress Test free software for Windows 10

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/pc-stress-test-f...

Here to help,

Rob

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