Bad draw distance in every game

Hi Kyo.Y,

I'll start by saying this is the worst problem gaming has ever faced. This problem has no fix whatsoever and is constantly misunderstood by pretty much everyone you'd reach out to for help. I'll write down a story made up of my own and a lot of other people's similar experiences to summarize it.

People's games will start showcasing a decrease in LOD/Draw distance. Not any specific games, literally every single 3D rendered game.
For most people this starts after a hardware adjustment, which could be as simple as taking out a component and reinstalling it right after. When this happens, you'd expect something went wrong with that specific component, but I wish it'd be as simple as that. Skipping the progress of getting that component checked out at a pc store, you buy a brand new replacement for that component. After installing it, somehow the problem still remains. By now we've already reached a point of it being a bit illogical. Let's go with the possibility that the motherboard got damaged in some unexpected way after the initial hardware adjustment. You replace the motherboard, boot up your games and the problem is still there**.** Attempt this process with every individual component and after every replacement... the problem is still there**.** So maybe there's a very subtle issue somewhere hidden in the entirety of your setup. Let's skip past replacing every individual cable or any other smaller components and buy a brand new pc. You set up the pc and make sure nothing of the previous faulty pc comes in contact with the new one. Boot up a game and praise the lord! Beautiful graphics, no bad draw distance, just like how you remember how it's supposed to look. A couple days of gaming and being satisfied with the graphics later and all of a sudden you start noticing little hiccups of certain objects/textures popping in. To stay hopeful, let's just assume it's a little bit of PTSD from having to deal with the issue before. Then comes the next day and those little hiccups of bad draw distance turn into very noticable chokes of a decreased draw distance. The day afterwards it's gotten even worse and eventually it just degrades to a point that's just as bad as it was on the initial faulty pc. Is it safe to assume the house is cursed? Maybe. The logical take on this is that there's a singular common denominator, which is both computers being connected to the same electricity. Electricity being the reason for bad draw distance in video games sounds like an idea out of a schizophrenic's mind (It's literally what I've been called on several forums for bringing up this conclusion lol), until you take in account that the only confirmed shifting of the limited draw distance was noted by those who've used their systems in different houses. You can fiddle with software, try out older drivers, replace whatever component and none of these logical steps will have any lasting effect. However, moving your computer to a house far away from the initial powergrid and your games seem to enjoy that a lot. This is a phenomenon that NEEDS to be studied by all relevant professionals responsible for the entirety of what makes playing a 3d game on a console possible. Be it the electricity companies, the hardware suppliers, game developers, Microsoft, etc. These people need to put their brains together and start making sense of what's going on with all these people's computers to be spending hundreds, even thousands and get horribly intrusive and unsolvable graphical problems. This has been going on for years for many (there are entire communities dedicated to analyzing this issue) and it seems to be more common now than ever.

Kyo.Y, I'm asking you to help us suffering from this horrible computer sickness by getting this message to the people that need to read it. Please share this post with your colleagues at Microsoft. Send it to your connections in other tech companies. If you actually work at an office and not from home, make it a topic to talk about while enjoying your lunch with your tech squad. Be a stepping stone towards the breakthrough of gaining a factual understanding of this occurence. It's been long enough and I want to be able to finally play all these amazing games I've been patiently keeping on hold for when the problem is solved. GoW: Ragnarök is calling my name, Kyo.Y.

I'll make sure to answer any question you got for me. Let me know what's on your mind. Hope to hear from you soon.

Best regards,

D'Angelo

No fix unfortunate i also have this on my pc and ps5. You have to live with it and after a time you won’t notice it anymore

Hey Adrian,

First things first, stop spending any money on trying to fix anything. Nothing will help since it's an interaction between an unspecified attribute of your house's electricity and your hardware. The only people who can make any progress regarding understanding what's going are the collection of companies relevant in bringing 3D images to your screens: They who manage our powergrids, the pc component manufacturers and the game developers. These people have the required expertise in their personal professions to get an objective vision on what's happening to our computers by coming together, but since doing this requires them all to spend resources and make time to please a not so big amount of people, it's not in their interest to attempt doing this.

You've quite literally done everything you could've tried concerning troubleshooting. The only thing you didn't do correctly is the test of plugging your pc in another house. When I installed a brand new pc that had no connections or attachments whatsoever to my already inflicted pc, it took 4/5 days for me start noticing worse LOD. From that point I was witnessing my graphics getting worse and worse everyday, till it halted somewhere around the 10th day. It reached a very similar, maybe even exact same amount of LOD/draw distance decrease compared to the previous pc. Those computers had nothing in common besides their connection to the same electricity and it still ended up with the exact same issue. We can conclude from this that there's a "seeping" nature to this occurence. The longer the pc stays connected to the affected electricity, the higher the level of the problem occurs, until it eventually reaches it's highest possible level. Following the observation that the problem literally seeps into the computer over time, it'll also require time to have your pc get flushed out by "clean" electricity when installing it at an unaffected house. Testing your pc at your friend's house by setting it up and opening a few games won't yield any results. Your best bet would be to have it installed there for at least 2 weeks. I'd also add that it probably needs to be turned on or even played on during that time.

This test is backed by the people I've spoken to throughout the past year telling me they haven't faced this issue since moving to another house. I've also spoken with someone who kept their pc unplugged for a year and he eventually tested it by plugging his pc in an outlet as far as possible from the initial outlet. He did notice a much better draw distance, but if I recall correctly, the problem did end up returning.

If this test is something you're able and willing to do, make sure you have a selected section of a game that clearly shows off the problem and record gameplay of you moving around there in a similar way everytime you do it. There definitely needs to be a recording of the first and the last day for clear comparisons, but it'd also be great footage to see the progression between those days, in the case of that succesfully happening of course. This footage would be used to showcase this occurrence to companies like Nvidia. My last conversation with one of their professionals concluded in being told that they won't give this any time due to deeming the people's observations as theoretical. They basically want us to experiment until we have notable results and only then will they consider this being a relevant situation to give attention to.

Let me know your thoughts on this and if you're down for it, we could stay in touch on Discord to share progress.

Hey D'Angelo,

I wouldn't say that connecting your PC in another house fixes that problem.

2 or 3 weeks ago I've noticed the same problem in my PC. Decreased LODs, jagged and flickering shadows like they are running at 1FPS without any AA, in general AA is broken in some games and everything is jagged, thin objects are shimmering, ambient occlusion is broken and gives some weird artifacts.

I have reinstalled games, Windows, checked every possible option in Nvidia control panel, removed drivers with DDU, checked oldest BIOS version, newest and other BIOS versions, cleared CMOS (battery out of MOBO, used jumper, power button), checked 1080p/1440p/4k monitors, both HDMI and DP, different settings, nothing helps.

My friend installed his GPU in my PC, same problems. I have installed my GPU in his build, everything is perfectly fine. I have also tried moving my SSD NVME into different slots, replaced my current GPU with really old one into another PCIE socket, still same problems. I have taken out everything and installed again inside the case and MOBO, nothing helped.

I also took my PC to friend's house and nothing helped. I have really bad problems at single monitor with 1440p, when I runned my GPU in friend's PC, I could run double 4k without a problem...

My specs are i7 12700KF, RTX 3080 12GB Gigabyte, Z690 DDR4 Gigabyte, Kingston Fury 3600MHz 2x16GB, PSU Be Quiet 850W 80Plus Gold.

I've seen problems like mine described on forums almost 10 years ago and no one got any fix for that... I've personally filled a ticket to Gigabyte support and waiting for reply and considering sending MOBO to Gigabyte under warranty.

The problem is not only rdr2. I have 70 hours in this game and I have never had this issue. So far I have tested Forza horizon 5, witcher 3, wukong, fortnite and rdr2 and all these games have pop in issues. Funny thing is I played wukong for like 40 hours with no problems. And then suddenly one day every game has bad lod.