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Rotate PDF's in OneNote

Anonymous
2013-08-22T17:23:11+00:00

I noticed that OneNote always displays PDF's sideways after inserting them using the File Printout command.  I read some discussions where MS tried to say it had something to do with the printer driver in Adobe, etc., etc.  I don't understand why I have to install a 3rd party program (Onetastic) which does plenty of good things, but I really only use it for the rotate PDF menu that it provides.  Did the MS engineers just get too tired to include this very basic, totally necessary feature?

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  1. Anonymous
    2013-08-29T05:54:55+00:00

    Hi ejlev, I am the developer of Onetastic addin and also a developer in the Microsoft OneNote team.

    To explain the situation a bit, when you insert a PDF file into OneNote, you are actually printing it, that is why it is called "File Printout". OneNote does not know anything about the PDF file format (or other files that you are inserting through File Printout command). The way it ends up in OneNote is that OneNote invokes a "print" command on the file which launches the application that is registered for the file format (in this case Adobe Reader) which then prints it to OneNote. The registered application decides which orientation the page should be printed. The result of the printing is a bunch of images in OneNote which we call "printouts".

    OneNote has a rotate feature for images, but not for printouts. Printouts work differently then images so the image rotate feature doesn't work on printouts. OneNote has to do something different to handle the case of printouts, which it isn't doing. Why is this feature missing? Well, it was missing in 2010, and I don't know why because I wasn't part of the OneNote team back then. We tried to bring this to 2013 but the issue was a bit complicated and we didn't have enough time to solve it completely and properly. Therefore it was left out. You see when you spend time on one feature, you can't spend that time on another. So you have to prioritize your work and spend your time on the most important things. You may call this as "the MS engineers just get too tired to include this very basic, totally necessary feature", but engineering is a trade off. I wish we had all the necessary features for our customers, but at the same time we have to stop somewhere to be able to ship the software. 

    After we ended up not doing this for 2013, I decided to write an add-in for this and give it away freely. This was actually how I started working on Onetastic.

    One suggestion I can give is, instead of using Insert > File Printout, open the file first and then use Print command in the application (e.g. Adobe) and choose your orientation there. This will do the same insertion, but with the correct orientation.

    Let me know if you have further questions. I know that what I tried to explain won't help with your frustration of not having this built-in. Hopefully you like Onetastic.

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  2. Anonymous
    2013-08-24T12:18:35+00:00

    I"m actually not printing the PDF to OneNote.  I am inserting a saved PDF file into a OneNote page and it always inserts sideways.  OneNote does not include a rotate function to straighten it.  Users are required to download a third party app called Onetastic which is essentially a collection of macros which happens to include a rotate function. 

    My question is why is OneNote missing this most basic of features?

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  3. Anonymous
    2013-08-31T13:05:53+00:00

    Hello Omer,

    First, thank you for your refreshingly candid reply.  I certainly understand the trade-offs associated with prioritizing (sorry, that's not unique to the engineering field), and appreciate your add-on.  I also have extensive experience and understanding of users' experiences with technology, which unfortunately some engineers don't always acknowledge, or frankly care about.   Each time a user gets stymied by a feature that doesn't work the way it seems like it should, it makes acceptance and use of that product a greater challenge.  As I am training 300 employees to use OneNote (only 1 or 2 had ever used it before), to use in the classroom with 3,000 students, simple things like file printouts being inserted sideways, and not being able to rotate them, make them lose confidence and excitement for the product.

    I appreicate the work-arounds you suggested, but if something doesn't work the way it should, why not just remove it until it does?

    Thanks,

    Eric

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  4. Anonymous
    2018-11-13T08:58:15+00:00

    5 years laters. MS still haven't add the functionality to simply rotate the print out. Yet they advertised this as one of their main feature.

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  5. Anonymous
    2013-08-23T05:49:24+00:00

    From which program are you printing the .pdf to OneNote?

    From Adobe Reader, I am able to print to OneNote and the .pdf displays as its supposed to.

    What option on what application are you performing to get this issue?

    Give us the screen shots of your scenario.

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