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2013-07-15T02:13:43+00:00

I'm using Microsoft Office 2010 but I'll soon be getting a new computer and will need to install office. I find the alternate references to office 2013 and Office 365 confusing . Can someone clarify this for me and suggest the best way to proceed?

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  1. Anonymous
    2013-07-15T03:09:06+00:00

    Office 2013 is a subset of Office 365.  Yes the references to both do cause a muddle.

    In general, Office 2013 refers to the newest version of Office.  But specifically, "Office 2013 ..." refers to the 1-computer local install ("traditional") license.

    Office 365 is the general name of a new bundle of office products. They typically allow you to install on up to 5 computers at the same time (with 1 exception).  Office 365 does not do a "traditional" install. Instead it sets up a "virtual computer" for Office to run in.  The main "selling point" is that users no longer have to worry about applying updates. MS now handles it all for you.  To sell the Office 365 bundle, MS includes 20 GB of skydrive space and 60 minutes per month of Skype time. The Office applications themselves are essentially identical in both the local install and 365 install.

    The local install is a 1 time payment while Office 365 is a "subscription" / rental s**m scheme.

    If you have only one computer, economically it may be less expensive to buy the local install.  If you have 4 or 5 computers and / or plan on using the Skydrive space or Skype time, then 365 may be cheaper.

    One thing to pay attention to. If you look through this forum you'll see that many people are having problems installing and keeping the 365 version running. There is no clear indication of how widespread the issue is and no sign of a fix for the problems.

    Here are some articles that go into more detail

    What is Office 2013 vs 365 - video

    http://blogs.office.com/b/office_blog/archive/2013/04/29/office-15-minute-webinar-questions-answered-on-office-365-home-premium.aspx

    • 15 minute video


    Office 365 and Office 2013 – what’s the difference?

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1851


    What’s the difference between Office 365 and Office 2013 local install?

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/what-is-office365.aspx

    http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/en/faq

    The "base" applications are the same. Office 365 is the next attempt of MS to MAKE MORE MONEY! Or at least to create a steady flow of "rental" income rather than the bursts of new version "purchase" income (of course if you read the terms of the license we are not actually "purchasing" our local copies of Office, we are just licensing it and MS can revoke that license any time they feel like it).

    Yes, depending on the Office 365 package you get, the monthly rent will sooner or later end up costing more than a purchase.  But, if you look at the packages you'll see that they include more features than the "base" local install includes. Things like "free" (well part of the 365 bundle) Skydrive storage. But also things like SharePoint functionality without having to set up your own server installation. server, Office-on-Demand: This option provides a single Office application on demand to users when they need it.  The Office application is streamed to the PC but is not permanently installed. Office 365 Home Premium allows you to "install" on up to 5 home computers. And a bunch of other "stuff".  Another advantage of the Office 365 bundle is that you won't have to buy "Office 16", it will appear "automatically" as part of your "rental" deal.

    http://blogs.office.com/b/microsoft\_office\_365\_blog/archive/2012/06/14/office-365-work-offline.aspx

    http://office365.itpro.co.uk/article/features/36/what-am-i-buying-office-365

    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/datacenter/google-apps-v-office-365-summary-which-is-better/5637?tag=nl.e019

    http://blogs.office.com/b/office-next/archive/2012/07/17/office-and-the-cloud.aspx

    http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/en/whats-new

    http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/en/faq

    http://www.zdnet.com/office-2013-editions-at-a-glance-and-faq-7000000976/

    http://www.mercurynews.com/larry-magid/ci\_21105870/magid-test-driving-microsoft-office-2013

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/9415521/Microsoft-opens-a-new-Office.html

    http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/259354/microsofts\_shift\_to\_the\_cloud\_what\_it\_means\_for\_you.html

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229406/Microsoft\_backtracks\_on\_Macs\_and\_Office\_365

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/small-business/sb-digital/biz-categories-technology/new-version-of-microsoft-office-could-cause-headaches/article4427647/

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407380,00.asp - Microsoft Reality: Understanding Touch

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407349,00.asp - Microsoft Office 2013 and Office 365: A Deeper Dive (slide show)

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805\_3-57475640-75/microsoft-touts-touch-in-office-2013/

    So the question becomes, how safe do you feel running your business in the "cloud", and storing your personal, confidential, proprietary data files in MS "cloud" storage. The paranoid "security freaks" out there will ask uncomfortable questions like:

    o   Do you trust MS not to "peek"? 

    o   Do you trust your or foreign governments to not "subpoena" your data (maybe without even bothering to tell you a la "patriot act" and it's various lovely cousins)

    o   Do you trust MS not to "leak", or be hacked? MANY other big companies have, what makes MS invulnerable?

    o   Are you positive that the connection between your computer and the "cloud" is unhackable?

    and other similar "nasty" questions that MS doesn't want you to think about. 


    365- Future Subscription Possibilities - Price increase / Feature decrease     

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1837

    How might Microsoft increase the cost of Office 365?

    by Office Watch

    The often quoted price for an Office 2013/365 subscription is only for the first year, so how might Microsoft increase the price?

    There’s all sorts of opportunities for Microsoft to raise revenue from Office subscribers once they’ve put themselves on the annual fee track rather than one time payments for Office software. Microsoft has all sorts of marketing models that they keep to themselves and management haven’t decided on what exact pricing strategy they’ll use. Outsiders can only examine the past and gaze into the future.

    Office 365 Home Premium is currently sold at around US$100 per year but should really be labelled as ‘$100 for the first year’ because there’s no price guarantee. ‘Home Premium’ has all the major and minor Office apps including Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, OneNote, Access and Publisher (not all available for the Mac).

    It’s possible that Microsoft will just increase the price but they’re usually more subtle. Part of the promotion of Office is to have some low ‘headline’ price that Microsoft can push to the media. It’s a trick that’s worked in the past.

    Use of the word ‘Premium’ might be a clue to future Office 365 price increases. The price of ‘Home Premium’ edition could rise while a new ‘Home Basic’ option is introduced with less programs but at around the current $100 ‘headline’ price.

    Existing subscribers would be automatically renewed at the new higher ‘Premium’ price unless they explicitly choose another subscription option before the renewal date. Automatic renewals at a higher price is just one benefit to Microsoft software subscriptions.

    Microsoft hopes that people will use applications like Access and Publisher more than they are now and therefore want to pay for a subscription that includes them. However, Redmond won’t mind if people pay a higher price for a subscription they don’t entirely use. Customers might not understand what they are paying for or they just let the automatic renewal happen each year on terms that suit Microsoft.

    Another likely scenario is a low cost Office subscription that doesn’t include Outlook. Microsoft knows that Outlook is a key program for many people and in the past we’ve seen a price jump between a basic bundle of Office (Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Onenote) and a bundle that includes Outlook as well. Outlook is harder to migrate from compared to say, Word, so Microsoft can charge more for it.

    That’s not the end of the possible price increase scenarios. Microsoft can offer extras to make comparisons between old and new pricing more difficult as well as try to keep customers using Microsoft services. The current Home Premium bundle includes some Skype calling minutes and Skydrive storage. Those benefits can be retained or changed for a revised Premium edition.

    There’s scope for Office 365 program subscriptions to be more closely bundled with some of the cloud services like Exchange Server (email, calendar, contacts, tasks) which not only raises revenue but also more tightly entwines a customer into Microsoft services.

    That’s another part of the subscription strategy – entanglement. Offering a subscription and online service as part of Office software means each customer becomes more dependent on Microsoft. Moving away from Microsoft Office becomes that much harder.

    Subscription pricing benefits Microsoft more than it benefits consumers.

    If MSFT shareholder value was better with one-off sales of Office software, Microsoft would not be making this change. Annual price changes and rearrangements let Microsoft increase the money it gets from customers over time.

    That’s why Microsoft is making the initial Office 365 offer so compelling compared to the more traditional way of buying Office. Once they’ve got enough people switched over to Office subscriptions, Microsoft will be able to get more money from their customers than ever before.

    Many years ago, Microsoft Office was keenly priced when faced with competitors like WordPerfect but later Microsoft started jacking up the price. It’ll be the same with subscription pricing of Office. Once a ‘tipping point’ of people and organizations are on board, then Microsoft will take advantage of their captive audience.

    Article posted: Thursday, 21 March 2013

    PKC- Office 2013 pricing loophole discounts suite by as much as $40

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2028884/office-2013-pricing-loophole-discounts-suite-by-as-much-as-40.html#tk.nl_win


    Subscription price trap

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1835

    Even the New York Times falls for Microsoft’s spin on Office 2013/365 prices


    Why Microsoft's pushing Office subscriptions

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2029559/why-microsofts-pushing-office-subscriptions.html#tk.nl_pcwbus

    http://www.worldstart.com/why-is-software-being-sold-as-a-subscription/ - a generic view on the question, but same answer “MORE MONEY”


    2013 02 14- Microsoft says: Buy Office 365, Not Office 2013. Or You'll Be Sorry

    http://notepad.com/drupal/microsoft-buy-office-365-not-office-2013-or-you039ll-be-sorry

    "Office 365 customers will get most updates first, and they will get upgrades and/or new capabilities. Office 2013 customers will get the same updates as Office 365 customers, usually in the form of a service pack, later than Office 365 customers, and they do not get upgrades and/or new capabilities."

    The service packs will be rolled out "when needed," the Microsoft representative added. Microsoft will also continue to support Office 2013, as it does all of its products, for ten years.

    What's An Update? What's An Upgrade?

    Under the Office definitions, new content will be made available to users in the form of updates, minor improvements and patches; and more significant, major upgrades. Fortunately, at least for business users, Microsoft publishes its list of updates and upgrades here

    Updates happen on a monthly basis; in October, for example, the Office 365 updates consisted of new Office Web Apps, PDF viewing inside the browser, and a new administrator ability to set password expiration dates. In December, the updates were less significant: a rate-limit increase for both Outlook and Exchange.

    The new 2013 upgrade features include, according to Microsoft:

    -       Wider support for mobile devices, so you and your staff can be more productive in more places.

    -       Integration between online conferencing, social networks, and email for improved collaboration.

    -       File sharing and storage in the cloud with SkyDrive Pro.

    -       Smarter email, calendar and contacts with broader mobile support.

    -       Improved management capabilities in the redesigned Office 365 admin portal.


    Office 2013 – watching the sales pitch

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1813


    Office 2013 on sale - Is it Worth Getting?

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1812


    2012 09 16 Microsoft raises Office 2013 prices to push new Office 365 sub plans – price analysis - 4 devices

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9231436/Microsoft_raises_Office_2013_prices_to_push_new_Office_365_sub_plans

    Very good, in-depth analysis worth reading - Calculates that average home user needs to use 4 devices to “break even


    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232656/Microsoft_kicks_off_free_Office_2013_upgrades

    This page points out that Amazon (US) is selling 2010 Home and Student for US$99


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     Here are some videos about the features of 365

    Initial Office 365 Install on your PC or Mac

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/office365-suite-help/install-office-on-your-pc-or-mac-with-office-365-HA102822111.aspx?CTT=1

    The key thing to remember is that the 2013 license is associated with 1, presumably yours, email address.  You may use the license to install on up to 5 devices at the same time, including both PC’s and Macs. The Macs still get Office 2011 for Mac, until it is eventually upgraded.

    Once you install Office 365 on a computer using your email address, you may share the installation with other Windows user ids created on that computer.

    That first email address is considered the “administrator” of the license. It can “uninstall” the license from a given computer if you want to transfer the allowed installation to another computer.


    Video: Activate / Deactivate your Office 365 installs

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/videos/video-managing-your-office-installs-VA103985959.aspx


    Install Office on more than one computer

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/support/install-office-on-more-than-one-computer-HA102901468.aspx

    You can install your Office 365 2013 Home premium license on up to 5 devices. On each of those devices, multiple family members can have Windows accounts to access the Office apps you installed. You can install Office 365 Home Premium on up to five Mac or PC computers. You can even install it on a family member’s computer. Before you start, check the system requirements to make sure your computer can run Office.


    Video: Adding family members to your Office 365 2013 5 installations

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/videos/video-adding-family-members-to-office-VA103985961.aspx - right at the end of this video it says after the admin sets up the Office 365 access, other user accounts on the computer can access the skydrive space. I (Rohn007) have not tested this myself.


    Video: Get the most out of your Office 365 subscription

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/videos/video-get-the-most-out-of-your-office-subscription-VA103983580.aspx


    Video: Use Office anywhere with Office on Demand

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/videos/video-use-office-anywhere-with-office-on-demand-VA103984836.aspx

    Go to Office.com. Log in with you account ID. Open any file from skydrive and a full copy of the App will run.



    FAQ- How can I reinstall Office? / I purchased Office 365 Home Premium. How do I install Office on another computer?

    https://officesetup.getmicrosoftkey.com/OfficeSetup/Home/SupportFAQ

    If you purchased Office 365 Home Premium, you can reinstall Office at any time at office.com/myaccount by signing in with your Microsoft account. You do not need your Product Key to reinstall or install Office on additional computers.


    Install Office 365 Home Premium on a Mac

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/access-help/install-office-365-home-premium-on-a-mac-HA102919748.aspx?CTT=1


    2013 06 14- Office “Mobile” (365) on iPhone

    http://winsupersite.com/office-365/office-mobile-iphone-review

    You need any Office 365 license to use this version. Office Mobile for iPhone does not count against your five PCs/Macs limit because it’s a mobile offering. So now there is a new category of mobile devices, where each Office 365 subscriber can also attach up to 5 Office Mobile installs to their account.

    Includes Word, Excel, and PowerPoint Mobile, but not OneNote Mobile, which is available as a separate free download. 

    No Office for iPad yet, but I understand that (free) Office Web Apps work reasonably well in the Safari browser.


    2013 06 14- Microsoft rolls out Office Mobile for iPhone

    http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-rolls-out-office-mobile-for-iphone-7000016846/

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1864 Office Mobile for iPhone

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1866 Who can really get Office Mobile for iPhone

    http://office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=1865 saving documents - only to skydrive

    Here’s the real qualification rules, buried down in an FAQ.

    “Any Office 365 subscription plan that includes the full Office desktop applications also include Office Mobile. Specifically, these plans are: Office 365 Home Premium, Office 365 Small Business Premium, Office 365 Midsize Business, Office 365 Enterprise E3 and E4, Office 365 Education A3 and A4, Office 365 ProPlus, and Office 365 University. There are also Office 365 government plans that include Office Mobile. You will need to sign in to your Office 365 subscription on first run to activate Office Mobile. “

    We could not find any way to save a document to the iPhone’s local storage. Nor can you save a document to the device via iTunes via Device | Apps | File Sharing because Office Mobile for iPhone isn’t one of the apps listed there.

    Documents received by email can be opened in Office Mobile for iPhone. Send a document via email using the ‘Share’ option.

    A document in Dropbox or other cloud storage can be opened via the ‘Open in …’ menu in iOS which shows a list of the compatible apps for that file type. However you can’t save back to the same cloud storage – any document you save goes to SkyDrive regardless of its original source.


    Why sign in? Your files and settings are always waiting for you with Office 365

    http://blogs.office.com/b/office-next/archive/2013/01/31/why-sign-in-your-files-are-always-waiting-for-you-with-office-365.aspx


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  1. Anonymous
    2014-07-18T03:12:26+00:00

    AFIK the applications in "Office 365" and "Office 2013" are identical.  I don't have access to 365 so I can't speak from personal experience.

    Are you sure you are not talking about the "free" Office Web Apps. They are dumbed down versions of Work, Excel and PowerPoint 2013 that are available free to anyone with an email / skydrive account.

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  2. Anonymous
    2014-07-17T21:12:05+00:00

    A take off of the conversation above, Rohn007. I'm an advanced user of Microsoft 2010 and was beginning to learn all the nuances of Microsoft 2013 when my company installed Office 365. Now, commands/buttons are not where I once knew them to be now especially in Microsoft Project and Word. 

    I'm looking into taking a course; however, I have several questions about what would be valuable, rather than a waste of my time relearning information I already possess. Do I take an Office 365 or Microsoft 2013 course? Since what I really need to know is the differences between the versions, I wonder if there is a course specific to this.

    I've spent hours viewing the web to discern the best learning method. Unfortunately, nothing yet applies.

    Any thoughts?

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  3. Anonymous
    2014-03-27T20:31:19+00:00

    With Office 365 the most common fix is to uninstall and re-install. If that doesn't work, we need more detail on the problem.

    (Sometimes) the best way to get that detail is to use the PSR, Problem Steps Recorder, utility.  This tool captures everything you do so we can see what is happening without you having to try to manually document it. As I said, sometimes this captures enough detail, sometimes not.

    After you do the PSR capture upload it to your skydrive and give us an edit link to it so we can look at the details.

    Win7 & Win8 Problem Steps Recorder - PSR


    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows7/How-do-I-use-Problem-Steps-Recorder


    http://www.maximumpc.com/article/how-tos/how\_use\_windows\_7\_problem\_steps\_recorder\_make\_easy\_pc\_guides 


    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371782%28v=vs.85%29.aspx


    http://www.7tutorials.com/easy-troubleshooting-and-problem-solving-problem-steps-recorder 


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6EgLm3-XcQ


    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/patricka/archive/2010/01/04/using-the-secret-windows-7-problem-step-recorder-to-create-step-by-step-screenshot-documents.aspx

    Please use the Problem Steps Recorder to capture what you are doing so we have more details to work with. Either copy and paste the recorded steps into the forum or upload the zip file to Skydrive and give us a link to the zip file

    Users and computer ‘geeks” often don’t speak the same language, interpreting things differently based on their experience. This short article has 3 examples of fundamental misunderstandings http://www.infoworld.com/t/it-jobs/say-what-three-unfortunate-users-in-need-of-tech-translator-212321  When you read it, if you are posting a question you will probably scratch your head at the answers, while computer people will be slapping their forehead and laughing out loud. Both reactions are reasonable reflections of the readers experience. Using PSR is one way to bridge that communication breakdown.

    Solving problems unique to a machine can be an arduous task for both the end-user and the help desk. That’s why Win7 introduces the Problem Steps Recorder, a screen-capture tool that allows the end-user to record the problems they’re having step-by-step. If the problem is repeatable, the recorder will capture what you do in text form.

    It’s as simple as hitting “record” then adding in comments as needed. A HTML-based file is converted to a .ZIP folder, which is easily passed on to the help desk.  The program is accessible from the Control Panel under “Record steps to reproduce a problem” or run psr.exe from Explorer.

    Upload result to a file share site like skydrive and post the link back here so we can look at it too.

    An Example of a problem that using PSR solved “The Cat’s Revenge” - Excel Minimized Permanently

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office\_2007-excel/the-cats-revenge/d2a1a6c2-13fe-4187-a2bc-b155dee69b45?page=2&tm=1373855486532#\_self

    A user posted a question with the following description:

    Last night when I had an excel spread sheet open the cat jumped on my desk and walked across the keyboard.Immediately the spread sheet was reduced to a thumbnail.Now all my excel files load but are only thumbnails.The files when copied and transferred to another computer open fine.I have uninstalled and reinstalled office 2007.But still the problem persists.When I go into the task manager it tells me excel is running fine.I  have looked at all possible key combinations that might restore the thumbnail to full screen,but nothing works.HELP!!!! Please (Windows 7 computer)

    My initial thought was the application had been accidentally dragged or moved off screen. So my first suggestion was to use the task manager cascade windows function. Application windows cascaded, but that did not fix the problem

    I asked for clarification on how Excel was being started, but no ideas presented themselves.

    Office had already been uninstalled and re-isntalled but it hadn’t helped. So I suggested using the “Fix It” in this KB: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928218/

    It was done, but still no luck.  Excel would only start on screen in Safe Mode. Then using File Open would display the opened files on screen. 

    Next I asked for more information about what happens when various methods of starting Excel are tried. I also suggested using PSR to capture the attempts, in the hope of seeing an error message.

    PSR was run, capturing the same problem, and the output was posted: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=7A1208FDC2974F94!105&authkey=!AFvh9oRpagicqLg

    The one thing that really stood out for me was that it showed a computer with dual monitors, the second one with a slightly lower resolution than the main one. I recognized this from a my trials  with PSR.  The capture showed a thumbnail from the task bar of excel with a worksheet displayed. And beside it on the second monitor, there was the “missing” Excel application window.

    I asked, and the user confirmed that they only had one monitor installed.

    The initial solution: when the application (ie Excel) should have focus, press and hold the <WIN> key, then tap <Left Arrow> a couple of times until the application window appears on screen. Left arrow because the “ghost” monitor was captured displaying off to the right or the “real” monitor. I figure the cat stepped on the <WIN> key with a hind foot, then slowly stepped on the <Right Arrow> key with a front foot, moving the active application window to the “second” screen, out of sight.

    I have tested, and the “cascade windows” fix does not work if you have multiple monitors defined on the system. The cascade stacks the application windows on each “monitor” rather than arranging them all on the main monitor.

    We are still working on convincing Windows that there is only one monitor on the system.

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  4. Anonymous
    2014-03-27T14:49:57+00:00

    Rohn, thank you for this very detailed reply.  I found it helpful for a number of reasons, but not to resolve my immediate issue (which you allude to).  

    Despite having the 5 PC license for Office 365, I cannot get it to "work" on my desktop.  It worked previously, as well as on my laptop, but I had a harddrive failure and after reinstall, have not been able to open Word documents directly from the file manager.  Instead, I must open up a previous version of Word and open Word documents from there.  This inhibits my use of SkyDrive, which defaults to the most recent version of words, and then I get the same error message (which disappears before i can type it out to share here).

    I have tried to uninstall the 365 version from my desktop and then reinstall, twice, to no avail.  Any thoughts on how I can resolve this?

    Thank you,

    Elle

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