IE Developer Toolbar Beta 2

2006-02-08

Beta 2 of the developer toolbar is now available. Beta 2 includes numerous fixes to improve stability, usability and performance along with a couple of additional features such as the ability to enable and disable CSS on the page.

The developer toolbar has become an essential tool for us in diagnosing issues with web pages. Being able to click on an element in the page and find out where it is in the element hierarchy is just one of the invaluable facilities it provides.

Let us know if you have any feedback either here or at the Wiki on Channel 9 about the toolbar. We’d certainly like to hear of issues and suggestions for further improvements.

We did hear one report that the previous preview of the developer toolbar did not work with the recently released preview of beta 2 of IE7. However we have been unable to reproduce the issue. Do let us know if you have any issues with either IE6 or the IE7 preview so that we can thoroughly investigate them for final release.

Thanks

- Dave

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Anonymous
February 08, 2006
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Anonymous
February 08, 2006
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Anonymous
February 08, 2006
Great feedback. Thanks.

Michael, For examining HTTP traffic we recommend Fiddler at http://www.fiddlertool.com/ It is written by Eric Lawrence one of the IE Program Managers and a frequent poster on the team blog.
There are also articles at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwebgen/html/ie_introfiddler.asp and http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/IETechCol/dnwebgen/IE_Fiddler2.asp
covering some of the things you can do with Fiddler.

Thanks
-Dave
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
<<the plugin I used for IE6, ieHTTPHeaders, is partially incompatible with IE7 - it can only shown what's being sent, not what's being received.>>

This will likely be fixed shortly.

In the interim, you might try Microsoft Fiddler (http://www.fiddlertool.com) as offers a pretty comprehensive feature set and it is compatible with any IE version.
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
Not a bad tool, but it seems like quite a bit more than I need - all I really want is to make sure the server output is as I expect it to be, and for that purpose, an actual debugger seems like overkill.

That said, I'll certainly keep Fiddler in mind for future use, it seems very useful.
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
IE Dev Toolbar Beta2
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
If anyone was wondering, the download page says MSIE6 or greater is required for this. (So Internet Explorer 6 or 7 should work.)
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
"In the Mozilla Developer Toolbar, when you select a menu, you can mouse over the other menus and they will always drop down, in IE you have to close each menu before opening the next one. Will this be changed?"

The IE dev toolbar's menus aren't menus, they're toolbar buttons, so it makes sense that they behave like toolbar buttons and not menus.

That said, the main IE menu bar technically isn't a menu either, it's a specialized toolbar, so it would certainly be possible for the IE dev toolbar to be made menu-like as well.
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
IE Developer Toolbar Beta 2 が出たというので、早速イ...
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
IE Dev Toolbar Beta2
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
IE Dev Toolbar Beta2，中文版来了没？
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
I'm running the IE7 beta 2 preview and I installed the toolbar, but it's nowhere to be found. According to the installation, there weren't any errors, but I can't see it in IE itself. I tried right-clicking the toolbar area, but it isn't available as an option. Is there something I should be doing to enable it or is this a bug? I've tried repairing the installation and uninstalling and reinstalling and neither have done anything. According to the Manage Add-ons dialog, the toolbar is installed. Also, if it's relavent, I'm also testing the Windows OneCare Live beta.
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
@Bryan Fennell:

Did you check under the Explorer Bars (or Toolbars) menu on the View menu inside IE? (Hit Alt+V to show the menu).
Anonymous
February 08, 2006

- How do I access pseudo-class and pseudo-element rules?

- And how do I set pseudo-classes?

- A small indicator if we are in quirks mode or standards mode would be nice.

Request on usability:

- While debugging pages, I often switch from Fx to IE, using both the FxDomInspector and the IE DevToolbar, this requires switching from CSS notation "margin-left" to your notation "marginLeft". I'd sugggest implementing some auto-correction for the correct CSS notation, if entered.
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
"1. When clicking on View DOM, the DOM window opens up on the bottom, but clicking on the button again doesn't do anything. It should be possible to hide the DOM by clicking on the button a second time. Especially considering it's the first option in the menu and there's no indication whether it's a menu item or a single button."

This works, in IE7b2.

I would suggest creating some icons and making it look nice, like the firefox toolbar. It's kind of dull right now. Other than that, it has about every function I would ever use. Nice work.
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February 08, 2006
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February 08, 2006
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Anonymous
February 08, 2006
Great Work. Some suggestions: I like using shorthand #cdc type values if possible. It would be nice if the color picker also showed the # value as well as RGB. To view CSS and Javascript would be very useful. Viewing CSS for a selected area! Even better. The toolbar would be better as icons with tooltips. The menu does not popup and close in an easy manner. Get rid of the DevToolBar title it wastes space.
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
Although the DOM-tres gives roughly the same information, it would be nice with a rendered/generated source feature. (just like view source, except it should be the live sourcecode (eg. document.write(<node>), then that node should be visible).
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
Am i missing something here or is the xhtml validator missing? Or is it just not there?

Maybe a future item would be to be able to add your own validator websites. I was kinda bummed that it goes to w3c's website instead of it haveing it's own little site checker app that might has shown better in a site, visually, where the errors are.

Just some ranting thoughts... other than that not bad.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Using your download link, I end up with an installer file signed on 28th october 2005, which installs version 1.00.1017.0 of the toolbar, and I can't find how to disable CSS on a page.
It looks like I downloaded an old version of the toolbar instead of the one announced here. Can you check your link?
Thanks.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
It looks like I got the new version this time.
I don't know what happened, except that I used Fiddler to check whether I was redirected to some older page.
Sorry for the noise.
(Note to the moderators: feel free to delete these two comments).
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
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February 09, 2006
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Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Hopefully the bug is fixed that causes appearance of the toolbar to "attach" to the Adobe toolbar -- where they swap identities and I can't display one without the other appearing or vice versa.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
With XP SP2 MCE and IE6 I get a browser crash when I attempt 'show class and id information' or when I attempt 'show image dimensions' at this URL www.tvtonic.com
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
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Anonymous
February 09, 2006
From the EULA on the Toolbar Beta 2:

" You may not: work around any technical limitations in the software;"

HaHaHa... Isn't the whole toolbar, designed to work around limitations in the software?!

E.g. For those testing in IE6, now have the ability to inspect pages like they have been able to for years in Mozilla. Hmm, and why might you want to inspect under the covers in IE? $5 says it has something to do with "Working around the limitations in the (IE) software"!

Otherwise I can't complain, I would gladly take this toolbar, over no toolbar. Glad to see that for once "Developers, Developers, Developers" actually rings true. ;-)
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Clear cache clears both cache and cookies. :(

Should then be called clear cache and cookies. That or make it only clear cache not both. Glad I backed up my cookies yesterday.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Also I would like to see a hide images option. That is so no red boxes show up. :)

Also disable images should be moved under images.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Beta2 does outline elements with 2px borders, while Beta 1 used 1px ones. This is very annoying and i hope it will be fixed in final release.

Color picker is very nice, but unfortunately it doesnt show hexadecimal color values.

I hope you will make picker, ruler and magnify in the same "consistent" fashion in final release. And i also hope they will be able to use together with each other.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
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Anonymous
February 09, 2006
I'm also getting the Oct 17th of the toolbar if I try to download the new one. Is this a server-replication issue based on location or something?
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
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Woah!!! In posting my last comment, I noticed something very wacky!

Did I miss this before, or did pressing the [ESCAPE] key, in form fields, always ERASE all you edits?

On my WinXP 6.x with the Dev Beta 2 Toolbar (DOM view not open), if I press ESC once, it clears my current form control, and pressing it twice, resets the entire form!!!!

As a generally non-IE surfing user, this behaviour caught me totally off guard! Please tell me that this isn't a "feature" of the browser???? If it is, it is time to lose it, pronto!

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Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Why not split the misc button items as there is space enough wasted to the right of the menu buttons ?

And well, it could do with a bit more spicy look.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
I also get version 1.00.1017.0 from the download site. The file size of that MSI is 346,624 bytes, and the md5sum is de547a1fb55da6e1af962a81408ba09f.

Perhaps someone with the correct version of the package could post their numbers as a reference.

(Feel free to delete this post.)
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Will, could you please provide some means of contact information for me? I would like to follow up with you about the cache issue. Thanks!
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
It would be nice if the toolbar could be parked on the side, vertically. I have a widescreen format monitor.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
"On my WinXP 6.x with the Dev Beta 2 Toolbar (DOM view not open), if I press ESC once, it clears my current form control, and pressing it twice, resets the entire form!!!! ... Please tell me that this isn't a "feature" of the browser????"

Yes, this is standard browser behavior (nothing to do with the toolbar). It's probably been around since the first version of IE. Most likely, IE was copying Netscape's behavior at the time.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
I just realised that I seem to have the first version still, what's up with that?

Runing: IE 7B2 Preview
DevToolbar Version: 1.00.0912.0

No wonder I was wrong about the DOM button.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
Hi Everyone,
We've just become aware of an issue where beta 2 of the toolbar did not successfully reach the servers and at least for some people the previous version has still been available for download. Apologies for this we are actively working on the issue and beta 2 should be available shortly. I'll post here again when we are sure it is there.

Thanks
-Dave Massy
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
If your document is a .xhtml and you have a STRICT DTC, then the page should not render if the source does not validate strict.

Take a hint from firefox please.
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
^ DTD*, excuse me...
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
When I try to download I get the message:

The download you requested is unavailable. If you continue to see this message when trying to access this download, go to the "Search for a Download" area on the Download Center home page.

Is there an alternative ???
Anonymous
February 09, 2006
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Anonymous
February 09, 2006
the given Download link does not work (anymore?). Got it pulled back?

I'd like an update since Beta 1 crasches IE now and then ...
Anonymous
February 10, 2006
Just wanted to add that using the 'validate' items opens up the W3C validator in a new browser window, and I'd personally perfer them to open in a new tab in the current window.

Thanks.
Anonymous
February 10, 2006
The download you requested is unavailable. If you continue to see this message when trying to access this download, go to the "Search for a Download" area on the Download Center home page.
Anonymous
February 10, 2006
This is a great tool, it does just about everything I need something like this to do.

The only thing I would suggest is to work on the appearance of the toolbar - every other toolbar button in my browser renders in the normal XP style when the mouse is over it, the DevToolBar does not.
Anonymous
February 10, 2006
The download you requested is unavailable. If you continue to see this message when trying to access this download, go to the "Search for a Download" area on the Download Center home page.
Anonymous
February 10, 2006
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Anonymous
February 12, 2006
Hi,

Just a quick thought, would it be possible to add the abilty to make use of the spell checker in Office (if installed, in the same way Outlook Express does) via a button on the toolbar, to spell check the current web page and highlight the errors, with the mouse-over effect showing the suggested alternatives?

Thanks.
Anonymous
February 12, 2006
DOM Explorer does not show "Value" attribute of a radio button in attributes window.
Anonymous
February 12, 2006
sweet, fixes a pure virtual function call bug which was killing IE on one of the sites i have to use...
Anonymous
February 13, 2006
Can we open the DOM Explorer in a new window?
Anonymous
February 13, 2006
Hi mush,
If you look at the right end of the menus of the DOM Explorer then you'll see an unpin/pin button that will allow it to be a separate window. If you have a large screen or multi-mon then it's definitely my preferred configuration. On a smaller screen such as my laptop I prefer it docked as part of IE though.
Hope that helps
Thanks
-Dave
Anonymous
February 15, 2006
Haha :). Lol. You guys must be wondering what could they have done so I say &quot;kudos to Microsoft&quot; :). Or did I switch back to IE?

Lol.

No. I haven't switched back to IE, and I will not do so any time soon.

I just wanna say ...
Anonymous
February 17, 2006
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February 17, 2006
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Anonymous
February 20, 2006
Great tool guys, really useful!

When validating HTML (locally) any chance you can give us the option of selecting which frame to validate rather than just validating the frameset?

Cheers.
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