HDD using xampp,enabled after bootup cannot communicate with the internet - Unless FW rules deleted 1st

Question

Ok,so I run xampp and a database server on a removable HDD also stated in bios as hot plug/removable.

Boot PC,start xampp,start db server,all runs fine.

data passes back and forth from db server almost immediately

website in xampp is connectable from the internet.

Now,if I've disabled the HDD on shutdown.....
Or if I unplug,wait,replug HDD.........

Boot PC,enable HDD,start xampp,start db server both run fine,locally.

BUT! no data passing and no website online

Found to be related to Windows Firewall.................

Answer 1

Typically, firewall rules are defined at application install time. There is no prompt. If your app doesn't have an install, then it should only need to define the firewall rules once. If it needs to keep redefining the rules, then there must be something different in the rule.

Corrong
The Apps have both TCP and UDP + all ports - thats it.
Unless it contains some other information relating to that program at that specific rule making time like its id or a pid or some other identifier?
I don't make the rules I just click ok when windows pops up.

All the info is there in the 1st post....
HDD enabled after bootup cannot communicate with the internet?????
Ok,so I run xampp and a database server on a removable HDD also stated in bios as hot plug/removable.
Boot PC,start xampp,start db server,all runs fine.
data passes back and forth from db server almost immediately
website in xampp is connectable from the internet.
Now,if I've disabled the HDD on shutdown.....
Boot PC,enable HDD,start xampp,start db server both run fine.
BUT! no data passing and no website online

Although now found to be inaccurate as it can communicate once you have removed FW rules.

something within these FW rules must change after the HDD is removed/replugged.
is the FW rule specific in its implementation?
meaning.....
is the rule like - app=passthrough
or is it kinda more like - app that is from a,b,c&d=passthrough

Answer 2

Sigh.

Ok, lets see if we can export the FW rule settings.

Open Powershell_ISE as an administrator and paste in this code. For each rule that you have to delete/recreate, modify the RuleName variable and run the script. It puts the output into the clipboard so you can just paste it back here. Use the Code Sample tool to paste the info. The 101010 icon.

$RuleName = "Block8080"  
cls   
Function Anal() {  
    $fwr = Get-NetFirewallRule -DisplayName $RuleName  
    "****************************** Firewall Rule ****************************"  
    $fwr  
    "****************************** Address Filter ****************************"  
    $fwr | Get-NetFirewallAddressFilter  
    "****************************** Application Filter ****************************"  
    $fwr |Get-NetFirewallApplicationFilter  
    "****************************** Interface Filter ****************************"  
    $fwr |Get-NetFirewallInterfaceFilter  
    "****************************** Interface Type Filter ****************************"  
    $fwr |Get-NetFirewallInterfaceTypeFilter  
    "****************************** Port Filter ****************************"  
    $fwr |Get-NetFirewallPortFilter  
    "****************************** Security Filter ****************************"  
    $fwr |Get-NetFirewallSecurityFilter  
    "****************************** Service Filter ****************************"  
    $fwr |Get-NetFirewallServiceFilter  
}  
$Result = Anal  
$Result  
$Result | clip         # Save the output into the clipboard.   
  

It should look like this. I ran it for my Block8080 rule.

Answer 3

{CE25FD75-AD49-B0F2-40E6-A4D4-EF22OF882A50}

Looks like Rules get a unique user identifier?

As it is now with working online website and working fesl.

Name : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe

Works fine.........
Remove HDD,wait,replug HDD.
Doesn't work.

Remove rules,start,agree to new rules.
Name : TCP Query User{5C4EBB59-FC18-4736-9935-85FD49EF4AF0}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe

Works fine.

So it looks like httpd.exe has an a,b,c and d in 'space' ( think Sheldon's spot ) upon windows boot
as long as httpd.exe is connected to windows maintaining that unique id then no problems
when HDD is disconnected or on disable it releases that id (or its stored in distant memory?) and gets a new unique id upon reconnection.
rule checks httpd.exe's 'a,b,c and d'
doesn't kick up a fuss because 'a,b and c' match but refuses internet because 'd' doesn't match.

or maybe its just an a and b thing....no c or d

Answer 4

No idea what you hope to figure out from windows basic firewall rule unless it's something similar to what I've said.......

****************************** Firewall Rule ****************************

Name : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
DisplayName : Apache HTTP Server
Description : Apache HTTP Server
DisplayGroup :
Group :
Enabled : True
Profile : Private, Public
Platform : {}
Direction : Inbound
Action : Allow
EdgeTraversalPolicy : DeferToUser
LooseSourceMapping : False
LocalOnlyMapping : False
Owner :
PrimaryStatus : OK
Status : The rule was parsed successfully from the store. (65536)
EnforcementStatus : NotApplicable
PolicyStoreSource : PersistentStore
PolicyStoreSourceType : Local

Name : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
DisplayName : Apache HTTP Server
Description : Apache HTTP Server
DisplayGroup :
Group :
Enabled : True
Profile : Private, Public
Platform : {}
Direction : Inbound
Action : Allow
EdgeTraversalPolicy : DeferToUser
LooseSourceMapping : False
LocalOnlyMapping : False
Owner :
PrimaryStatus : OK
Status : The rule was parsed successfully from the store. (65536)
EnforcementStatus : NotApplicable
PolicyStoreSource : PersistentStore
PolicyStoreSourceType : Local

Answer 5

Aaaaaand an even bigger sigh here dude?
Solved and already shown you by using the method you gave.

TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe

HDD out - in

TCP Query User{5C4EBB59-FC18-4736-9935-85FD49EF4AF0}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
UDP Query User{ED92979A-DBE3-456A-95BE-AAF27A77A5E7}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe

{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}
Changes to ( in this instance )
{5C4EBB59-FC18-4736-9935-85FD49EF4AF0}

The firewall rule TCP is for {3F299B16........
{5C4EBB59..... isn't quite the same
Or am I totally wrong?

---

****************************** Firewall Rule ****************************


Name                  : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
DisplayName           : Apache HTTP Server
Description           : Apache HTTP Server
DisplayGroup          : 
Group                 : 
Enabled               : True
Profile               : Private, Public
Platform              : {}
Direction             : Inbound
Action                : Allow
EdgeTraversalPolicy   : DeferToUser
LooseSourceMapping    : False
LocalOnlyMapping      : False
Owner                 : 
PrimaryStatus         : OK
Status                : The rule was parsed successfully from the store. (65536)
EnforcementStatus     : NotApplicable
PolicyStoreSource     : PersistentStore
PolicyStoreSourceType : Local

Name                  : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
DisplayName           : Apache HTTP Server
Description           : Apache HTTP Server
DisplayGroup          : 
Group                 : 
Enabled               : True
Profile               : Private, Public
Platform              : {}
Direction             : Inbound
Action                : Allow
EdgeTraversalPolicy   : DeferToUser
LooseSourceMapping    : False
LocalOnlyMapping      : False
Owner                 : 
PrimaryStatus         : OK
Status                : The rule was parsed successfully from the store. (65536)
EnforcementStatus     : NotApplicable
PolicyStoreSource     : PersistentStore
PolicyStoreSourceType : Local

****************************** Address Filter ****************************

Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|TCP Query 
                          User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
LocalAddress            : Any
RemoteAddress           : Any
PSComputerName          : 
LocalIP                 : Any
RemoteIP                : Any


Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|UDP Query 
                          User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
LocalAddress            : Any
RemoteAddress           : Any
PSComputerName          : 
LocalIP                 : Any
RemoteIP                : Any

****************************** Application Filter ****************************

Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|UDP Query 
                          User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
AppPath                 : I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
Package                 : 
PSComputerName          : 
Program                 : I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe


Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|TCP Query 
                          User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
AppPath                 : I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
Package                 : 
PSComputerName          : 
Program                 : I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe

****************************** Interface Filter ****************************

Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|UDP Query 
                          User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
InterfaceAlias          : Any
PSComputerName          : 


Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|TCP Query 
                          User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
InterfaceAlias          : Any
PSComputerName          : 

****************************** Interface Type Filter ****************************

Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|TCP Query 
                          User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
InterfaceType           : Any
PSComputerName          : 


Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|UDP Query 
                          User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
InterfaceType           : Any
PSComputerName          : 

****************************** Port Filter ****************************

Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|TCP Query 
                          User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
DynamicTransport        : Any
IcmpType                : Any
LocalPort               : Any
Protocol                : TCP
RemotePort              : Any
PSComputerName          : 
DynamicTarget           : Any


Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|UDP Query 
                          User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
DynamicTransport        : Any
IcmpType                : Any
LocalPort               : Any
Protocol                : UDP
RemotePort              : Any
PSComputerName          : 
DynamicTarget           : Any

****************************** Security Filter ****************************

Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|TCP Query 
                          User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
Authentication          : NotRequired
Encryption              : NotRequired
LocalUsers              : 
OverrideBlockRules      : False
RemoteMachines          : 
RemoteUsers             : 
PSComputerName          : 
LocalUser               : Any
RemoteUser              : Any
RemoteMachine           : Any


Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|UDP Query 
                          User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
Authentication          : NotRequired
Encryption              : NotRequired
LocalUsers              : 
OverrideBlockRules      : False
RemoteMachines          : 
RemoteUsers             : 
PSComputerName          : 
LocalUser               : Any
RemoteUser              : Any
RemoteMachine           : Any

****************************** Service Filter ****************************

Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : TCP Query User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|TCP Query 
                          User{3F299B16-AD49-4ED4-887F-A0F1DF9C1E61}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
ServiceName             : 
PSComputerName          : 
Service                 : Any


Caption                 : 
Description             : 
ElementName             : 
InstanceID              : UDP Query User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
CommunicationStatus     : 
DetailedStatus          : 
HealthState             : 
InstallDate             : 
Name                    : 
OperatingStatus         : 
OperationalStatus       : 
PrimaryStatus           : 
Status                  : 
StatusDescriptions      : 
CreationClassName       : MSFT|FW|FirewallRule|UDP Query 
                          User{923F650C-6E90-42DF-8FEA-103E45D6436F}I:\xampp\apache\bin\httpd.exe
IsNegated               : 
SystemCreationClassName : 
SystemName              : 
ServiceName             : 
PSComputerName          : 
Service                 : Any