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Windows 11 build ver is still 10.0.22000.194

I have installed the official version (not preview) after 5.10.2021 release and the build number is still 10.0.22000.194. We need to start dividing Win10 vs. Win11 devices in Intune and Configuration Manager. How we should do that, because probably Windows 10 build will also grow in a future and to what then?

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@yannara - I did receive a similar comment on one of the posts on Windows 10 versions.

My point of view/hypothesis was this. I could be totally wrong :-D

Why should it be changed? The major version is still the same as Windows 11 and most of the previous versions of Windows because it's all built on the same base core OS ... Microsoft is adding new or additional code on top of the previous versions to make a new version. Hence the major version is not changed.

I don't think it will ever change until they reach some other limitation. Or Microsoft will need to build a new OS ground up.






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@Anoop-C-Nair-MVP ok thanks, so basically based on os ver we can understand, that Windows 11 is based on Windows 10 and Windows 8.1 was build on Windows 7, right?

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All Windows versions in current use were built on top of each other so making this statement has no meaning or value. You're attempting to find meaning in something that has zero impact. As long as you know that anything greater than 10.0.22000 is Win 11, why does it matter? This is a design choice we made no different than any design choice we've made.

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LuDaiMSFT-0289 answered triendlkj-9495 edited

@yannara Thanks for posting in our Q&A.

For this issue, I have consulted with windows team. Windows 10 will continue to support at least one release of Windows 10 Semi-Annual Channel until October 14, 2025. So, the OS build of windows 10 will not increase unlimited.

Based on my understanding, windows 10 OS build number will not up to 22000. At least for now, OS build number 22000 is the standard that distinguishes Windows 10 from Windows 11.

Thanks for understanding.


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It is so unfortunate that an OS used by billions can't provide a standard API to query a simple display name/caption for the product itself.

Since years vendors and authors for tools that want to display or log OS information have to hunt down myriads of ways. The build number isn't enough, simply because it isn't future proof! If I create a condition on build number>=22000 my tool would still display/log "Windows 11" even if it's already Windows 12 or whatever it will be called in its next major version.

Then there's all the license flavors - Home, Pro and whatnot.

Developers would need to at least know how either
1) ... winver.exe determines the resource id being used when loading from C:\Windows\Branding\Basebrd\basebrd.dll
2) ... or get-wmiobject win32_operatingsystem | select Caption tinkers together the caption.

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This is correct. Anything above 10.0.22000.0 is Win 11. Anything below is Win 10.

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RahulJindal-2267 answered DaveBurton-0028 published

There is no saying on how build numbers will be handled going forward. But for now you should be able to differentiate between 10 & 11 using OS caption device property.

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What is an "OS caption device property" and how does one check it from a .bat file?

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LimitlessTechnology-2700 answered

Hi there,

Windows 10 build will not increase unlimitedly. we cannot say about the nature of OS build but usually, when a new version of Windows is released the older version OS will not increase. You can compare this with Windows 7 & Windows 10.



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yannara answered Jason-MSFT commented

Hehee.....

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@yannara Honestly, I haven't seen the windows 10 devices with OS build 10.0.22000.194. Could you please login one of the devices and double check the OS version in the client?

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What's this second screenshot from? This looks like indexes from an OS WIM. If so, yes, this is a known issue where the indexes are still named Win 10. This doesn't accurately reflect that the OS is actually Win 11.

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yannara answered LuDaiMSFT-0289 commented

Also bginfo displays Win11 as Windows 11. I don't understand the logic behind this, why 10.xxx is left in the Win11 product. It just makes no since.

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@yannara It is designed by windows 11 itself. If you have any good idea of OS build version number, it is suggested to try to feedback to windows 11. Please search "Feedback Hub" in your device's search box and feedback your requirement.
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Thanks for understanding.


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yannara answered LuDaiMSFT-0289 commented

Okay now I get it, also previous OSs had funny numbering, didn't remember that...

https://www.lifewire.com/windows-version-numbers-2625171

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From the historical version numbers, the version numbers of the old and new OS are not reused. There were no major changes in the naming rule.

If possible, please accept one of the answers. It will make someone else who has the similar confusion easily find the explain of distinguishing windows 10 and windows 11 via OS version number.

Thanks for your kindness in advance.

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yannara answered yannara commented

Also Intune reports Win11 wrong :D

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Not exactly. That's showing the SKU and not the OS version although I agree that's misleading at best. Can you please file this as feedback in the portal?

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@Jason-MSFT I will consider it, I have to admit I haven't use it at all because at the beginning of Windows 10 it required more than standard/minimun telemetry level. If possible, could you shortly explain, is the feedback app only about Windows OS, or does it include Intune, ConfMgr, AzureAD etc? I have poor experience with UserVoice from last years, because lot of good ideas are not noted by MS nor commented.

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EricSalom-7520 answered

Awkward enought, but we will do with that "for now" (until a 11.nnnnn build is provided).

In the mean time, many "Microsoft applications" will show "wrong results" when displaying the current Windows version.

For example,
account.microsoft.com : What's your device using Windows ?
Nom ASUSeric
Édition OS Windows 10 Home
Version 2009
Version du système d’exploitation 10.0.22000.318

Hint: I suggest to the Microsoft team that when they will be in the process of "adding" "Windows 11" version "everywhere", they also prodive "condition / case statement" for displaying "version 12" as well (for future use ;-)).

Best regards. Eric

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Jason-MSFT answered DanielHamilton-7765 commented

until a 11.nnnnn build is provided

This is not going to happen. You should file bugs or provide feedback to the product team (using the Windows Feedback Hub if you can't find anywhere else to do it) for anywhere you see this as incorrectly displayed as the devs made poor assumptions in these cases.

This is no different from Windows 7 which version wise was actually 6.1, Windows 8 which version wise was actually 6.2, and Windows 8.1 which version-wise was actually 6.3.

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I would have thought this would have been covered somewhere, since it's so obvious-- but alas I ended up here. So-- the obvious question:

When Windows 10 was birthed, the big decision was made to break from the 6.x version and to jump to 10, to make things make actual sense. Initially, as you recall, early builds of Windows 10 was 6.4.

So why wouldn't Windows 11 be 11.0.22000.123? I get in the past things were weird, at least with Windows 7 and 8. However, prior to WIndows 7 and After Windows 8, version numbers in Windows made sense, at least when numbers were in the product name, vis,

Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 3.5
Windows NT 3.51
WIndows NT 4.0
WIndows 2000 (NT 5.0)
Windows XP (NT 5.1)
Windows Server 2003 (NT 5.2)
Windows Vista/Server 2008 (NT 6.0)
Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 (NT 6.1) <-- YUK
Windows 8/Server 2012 (NT 6.2) <-- YUK
Windows 8.1/Server 2012 R2 (NT 6.3) <-- YUK
Windows 10/Server 2016 (NT 10.0)
Windows 10/Server 2019 (NT 10.0)
Windows 11/Server 2022 (NT 10.0) <-- YUK

I mean if it was okay to break with 10, why not 11?

Thanks in advance, for your answer!

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Jason-MSFT answered Jason-MSFT commented

So why wouldn't Windows 11 be 11.0.22000.123?

Because that's what we chose. Nothing else truly matters here.

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Hi Jason,
Thanks for your time attempting to answer my question. Hope your day gets better.

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Jason-MSFT avatar image Jason-MSFT DanielHamilton-7765 ·

Thanks Daniel. My day is going great, thank you.

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